[BikerNYC]

My vision of humanity is so poor? On the contrary.

I think you would have thought it best if Adam and Eve never summoned the courage and curiosity to eat of that tree, and thereafter have the freedom to define for themselves what is best for them.

My vision of humanity ranks the acts of Adamn and Eve as great acts of human courage and freedom. They are human heros...to be honored and respected for setting us on a course of freedom and self-determination. They were the first to create the value of self-determination, that humans can decide for ourselves how to organize and structure our lives, for good or evil. We might take actions that we later will call mistakes, but they will be our mistakes, to be learned from, yet appreciated as the result of freedom.

Your vision of humanity smells of dead-end lives. People unable to think for themselves or act with the inspiration of freedom. We are to be spoon-fed our thoughts and told how to act. If that's how you think humans should be, there's not much to discuss.

[ArGee]

Your vision of humanity smells of dead-end lives.

If you could only see what I see. If G-d had wanted to create robots he would have.

The only freedom that Adam and Eve grabbed for themselves that they didn't already have was the freedom to run into the street in front of a moving dump-truck. G-d wants us to grow, to explore, to live the full human life. All of the rules He established were to ensure that we could do that. He knew that if we ran into the street in front of a moving dump-truck we would be killed. Your version of life says that it can't be full unless you find that out for yourself.

Would you be terribly offended if I called that a stupid idea?

Shalom.