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Major Victory in Hage v. United States
email | 1/31/02 | Jay Walley

Posted on 01/31/2002 2:49:46 PM PST by Carry_Okie

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Here it is folks. It's been a LONG time coming.
1 posted on 01/31/2002 2:49:46 PM PST by Carry_Okie
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To: editor-surveyor;farmfriend;B4Ranch;sauropod;Dirtboy;brityank;snopercod;hopalong
Boing!
2 posted on 01/31/2002 2:52:07 PM PST by Carry_Okie
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Ka-Bong!!!
3 posted on 01/31/2002 2:53:35 PM PST by Carry_Okie
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To: SierraWasp;Angelique;Rowdee;TAdams8591;holyscroller;cowpoke;independentmind;TexMex...
Insta-bong
4 posted on 01/31/2002 2:55:17 PM PST by Carry_Okie
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To: passionfruit;OkieGrit;redrock;Askel5;cc2k;68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub;JackelopeBreeder;Dog Gone...
Nobody Home?
5 posted on 01/31/2002 2:58:31 PM PST by Carry_Okie
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To: First_Salute;Ethan_Allen;Ernest_at_the_Beach;Water Dragon;Huck;Goddess50;dandelion;Travis McGee...
Seems nobody loves me.
6 posted on 01/31/2002 3:04:05 PM PST by Carry_Okie
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To: Carry_Okie
Shhhh ..... we're all asleep ;o)

But ... Awesome decision!

7 posted on 01/31/2002 3:08:31 PM PST by 4CJ
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I guess people don't like good news.
8 posted on 01/31/2002 3:09:30 PM PST by Carry_Okie
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Wow, I'm stunned and have goose bumps on me!

What great news!

Can you tell us anything about this brave judge?

Thanks for this great news for all Americans not just the Hage family!

The enviral rural cleansers must be feeling like the Talibaners in Afghanistan after this.

9 posted on 01/31/2002 3:09:59 PM PST by Grampa Dave
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This is indeed great news.

Any idea of when the Judge will render a final on compensation? Imagine fighting since 1991 thru the court system.....

10 posted on 01/31/2002 3:10:23 PM PST by Rowdee
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To: Carry_Okie
Thank you for making my day.
11 posted on 01/31/2002 3:10:47 PM PST by First_Salute
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To: Grampa Dave
Yep, I'm asittin over here pingin everbody in God's Freepation an it were awful quiet...
12 posted on 01/31/2002 3:11:43 PM PST by Carry_Okie
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I'll be interested to read the actual opinion. This appears to be very good news, but it's clear that the ranchers didn't win on every claim.

I didn't think they would, because they were essentially wanting the court to treat the grazing lease as an actual conveyance of ownership, which it isn't.

But it does set out the principle, apparently, that the government can't unilaterally yank rights granted under the lease, specifically water rights, even though the lease arguably gave them the power to do so.

This sounds like a decision which takes away a great deal of power from the federal government, and that is a great thing.

13 posted on 01/31/2002 3:12:58 PM PST by Dog Gone
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This is good news. I'm not one for touting rediculous sums for court decisions but in this case i hope the government pays HUGE sums so that it becomes too expensive to steal private property. In addition, I hope the court finds anyone joining the government in this case to PAY JUST AS MUCH.
14 posted on 01/31/2002 3:14:17 PM PST by caisson71
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To: Carry_Okie
Big Western ... B U M P !!!
15 posted on 01/31/2002 3:15:41 PM PST by Jeff Head
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Wow! Maybe the tide is turning?

Alexander Hamilton: "A power over a man's subsistence amounts to a power over his will. Property must be sacred or liberty cannot exist."

James Madison: "Where an excess of power prevails, property of no sort is duly respected. No man is safe in his opinions, his person, his faculties, or his possessions", and:

John Adams: "[t]he moment that idea is admitted into society that property is not as sacred as the Laws of God, and that there is not a force of law and public justice to protect it, anarchy and tyranny commence.

Daniel Webster: "No other rights are safe where property is not safe."

As we know, early American common law descended from English common law. What did the English think of private property?

Magna Carta: No Freeman shall be taken, or imprisoned, or be disseised [deprived wrongfully of real property] of his Freehold, or Liberties, or free Customs, or be outlawed, or exiled, or any otherwise destroyed; nor will we pass upon him, nor condemn him, but by lawful Judgment of his Peers, or by the Law of the Land. 1297

John Locke: "The great chief end therefore, of Mens uniting into Commonwealths, and putting themselves under Government, is the Preservation of their Property." He also said, "Whenever the legislators endeavor to take away and destroy the property of the people, or to reduce them to slavery under arbitrary power, they put themselves into a state of war with the people, who are thereupon absolved from any further obedience..." --2nd Treatise of Government, 1690 the principal absolute rights which appertain to every Englishman,"

William Blackstone: The principal absolute rights which appertain to every Englishman [are] personal security, personal liberty, and private property.


16 posted on 01/31/2002 3:17:00 PM PST by snopercod
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To: Dog Gone
It is certainly validation of the split estate as private property on Federal land.
17 posted on 01/31/2002 3:19:12 PM PST by Carry_Okie
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Back in an hour or so after I ship some books.
18 posted on 01/31/2002 3:23:00 PM PST by Carry_Okie
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To: Carry_Okie
Hurrah!!!!
19 posted on 01/31/2002 3:30:25 PM PST by hoosierham
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It is certainly validation of the split estate as private property
on Federal land.

This is only round one, the appeals will surely follow......
and they have the big bucks(yours) to waste.

20 posted on 01/31/2002 3:31:57 PM PST by itsahoot
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