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Environmentalists, Forest Service debate Sierra Nevada logging plan
NandoTimes.com ^ | 27 January, 2002 | SCOTT SONNER, Associated Press

Posted on 01/27/2002 6:47:42 PM PST by brityank

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1 posted on 01/27/2002 6:47:43 PM PST by brityank (brityank@FReepmail)
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To: *landgrab; *Green; *Enviralists; farmfriend; marsh2; dixiechick2000; Helen; Mama_Bear; poet...
Phil Aune, a vice president of the California Forestry Association who worked 35 years for the Forest Service, accused Hanson and others of abusing the appeal process to delay salvage projects.

"The tactic is the same with every major wildfire across the Western United States - delay long enough so the economic value goes away," said Aune.

The tactic is the same across the whole country; delay and obfuscate and bleed them dry -- using taxpayer funds to promulgate their watermelon agenda.

2 posted on 01/27/2002 6:55:39 PM PST by brityank
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When Is a Dead Tree Dead?
3 posted on 01/27/2002 7:18:08 PM PST by Ben Ficklin
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To: brityank; 1Old Pro; 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub; a_federalist; abner; aculeus; alaskanfan...
"Environmentalists have successfully appealed to suspend logging in some cases, arguing that many trees are merely scorched and the logging plan is just a ploy to turn timber into profit."

Are they coming out of the closet?

Heaven forbid that someone should turn a profit!

4 posted on 01/27/2002 7:22:07 PM PST by editor-surveyor
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To: editor-surveyor
BTTT
5 posted on 01/27/2002 7:31:17 PM PST by mafree
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To: Ben Ficklin
The mortality standards at the 2000 Storrie fire were written in November by Sheri Smith, the Forest Service's supervising entomologist for northeastern California.

Smith said she began research 13 years ago out of concern that the agency's 4-decades-old standards - primarily 50 percent crown scorching - meant too many live trees were being given up for dead.

"I have the same concerns that Mr. Hanson has - I don't want to see trees cut that aren't going to die. But what I want to do is provide the best scientific data for basing decisions," Smith said.

"I'm the one who is going to get called into court for the deposition and I'm going to be the one the judge asks what kind of data we have."

The 65 percent standard is based on more recent research with pine trees dating to 1994, including some in the Lake Tahoe region, she said.

"I take it very personally when people say the guidelines are not based on science. My No. 1 concern is forest health protection. I don't get paid any more or less at the end of the day if they cut more trees or less trees," she said.

The watermelons won't be happy until the FS raises the level to 99%; and they'll still bitch over the one!

6 posted on 01/27/2002 7:35:10 PM PST by brityank
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To: editor-surveyor;brityank
Thanks for the pings. It sure helps to have friends.
7 posted on 01/27/2002 7:42:24 PM PST by farmfriend
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Just found out that our friend 'susangirl' has a new handle: SusanUSA.
8 posted on 01/27/2002 7:48:35 PM PST by editor-surveyor
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"I don't want to see trees cut that aren't going to die."

What kind of nonsense is that? - Every tree is going to die! - Most of the trees in the Sierra die before they are 200 years old; many due to beetle infestations that occur when the canopy becomes too dense, keeping the sun from hardening the bark.

9 posted on 01/27/2002 7:53:36 PM PST by editor-surveyor
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To: brityank
Watermelon delay tactics to drive up cost benefit ratio to the point that private enterprise will give up and go elsewhere.

The losers: The forrests, the economy, the tax base, the citizens.

The winners: communists engineering the destruction of America.

10 posted on 01/27/2002 7:55:31 PM PST by Navy Patriot
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To: brityank
A few quotes/opinions
11 posted on 01/27/2002 7:56:36 PM PST by Ben Ficklin
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To: brityank
"The tactic is the same with every major wildfire across the Western United States - delay long enough so the economic value goes away," said Aune.

That pretty much sums up all their tactics. Destroy the economic value, first. Then take over.

12 posted on 01/27/2002 8:12:33 PM PST by Helix
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The winners: communists engineering the destruction of America.

Thankyou Navy Patriot for stating the true name of the enemy we are facing today. It is communism and the goal of a global communist government that is placing our lives, property and progeny in dire peril. Americans must finally face up to the fact that the communists swarmed out of the failed Soviet Union like a hive of angry wasps and they are stinging our once free society to death with a myirad of environmental or otherwise non-governmental organizations.
13 posted on 01/27/2002 8:43:03 PM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: editor-surveyor
BUMP!
14 posted on 01/27/2002 8:51:45 PM PST by FReethesheeples
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To: brityank
BUMP!
15 posted on 01/27/2002 8:52:04 PM PST by FReethesheeples
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To: brityank
I love their Pale Ale, but their Celebration Ale is quite good too.

What? This isn't a thread about Sierra Nevada Brewery? Sorry....

16 posted on 01/27/2002 8:56:59 PM PST by SW6906
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To: hedgetrimmer
Re:#13. You are correct.

While many patriotic Americans (and anti-communists worldwide) are aware, President Ronald Reagan was pivotal in proving that the economics of communism do not (and can not) work, ever anywhere, they are not so much aware that the communists fled to enviromentalism and animal rights as cover for their movement. Economic class warfare no longer worked for them, so they just change clothes, THEY DID NOT DIE OUT OR GIVE UP. Watermelons are what they are, green on the outside, RED ON THE INSIDE.

17 posted on 01/27/2002 9:06:57 PM PST by Navy Patriot
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To: editor-surveyor
"Environmentalists have successfully appealed to suspend logging in some cases,...

No kidding. And drag out the process until the total cost becomes astronomical.

In late '97, a weather anomaly (it is believed the jet stream touched down) flattened four million trees in the Routt National Forest. Some suggested that without quick action, bark beetles would infest the blowdown and then move on to nearby standing timber. The usual suspects conspired to slow the process. The beautiful people of Steamboat Springs screamed bloody murder that they didn't want logging trucks driving trough their town.

There is now a fair chance that the beetles will defoliate the trees at the ski resort. Of course, they'll also leave thousands of acres of standing deadwood in their path. The next thunderstorm will take care of that.

I sometimes wonder if any of these people have ever actually been out of their apartments, let alone spent any time in the woods.

18 posted on 01/27/2002 9:29:08 PM PST by kitchen
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So very true and it's difficult to overcome them because they have "the issue" on their side, to wit: a clean environment. It's like the 'for the children" trigger word. if you take the opposite view, then you don't want a clean environment or don't care if children go hungry.
We have to counter those arguments if we want the public to understand that the enviro leaders are about control and a great many of their "puppets" are wackos.
19 posted on 01/27/2002 11:54:42 PM PST by poet
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the logging plan is just a ploy to turn timber into profit."

Sounds like a subset of "people before profits." Another fraudulent left-wing construct.

20 posted on 01/28/2002 12:24:03 AM PST by backhoe
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