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"IN GOD WE TRUST": IN THE SCHOOLS, YES OR NO?
The American Center For Law And Justice ^
| 1/24/2002
| CNSNEWS
Posted on 01/24/2002 4:46:09 PM PST by DNA Rules
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posted on
01/24/2002 4:46:10 PM PST
by
DNA Rules
To: DNA Rules
I smell a lawsuit in the works from the ACLU theophobes.... Of course we should! Its on our greenbacks & coins. It ought to good enough for our schools.
To: DNA Rules
Whatever may be allowed or not allowed in the government schools--prayers, mottos, Bible clubs, etc., is so totally uninteresting. Are prayers allowed in brothels? Who cares?
To: DNA Rules
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof Where in the hell does it say in that amendment that schools must be purged of any rererence to God? It directy states that congress shall make no law one way or the other.
How has that been twisted in such an Orwellian fashion that any reference to God must be eliminated from anything that receives a single dollar from the government?
Even if local governments wanted to build a freakin' church on school property (which, incidentally, I wouldn't be for) I don't see how that would be considered congress making a law respecting the establishment of religion.
This is plain f**king black and white, clear English for God's sake. What the hell happend?
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posted on
01/24/2002 5:37:04 PM PST
by
AAABEST
To: DNA Rules
"In God We Trust" - all others pay cash.
To: AAABEST
Hell happened.
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posted on
01/24/2002 5:39:22 PM PST
by
DNA Rules
To: DNA Rules
The modern insanity of ignoring the plain laguage of the constitution must somehow be stopped. We're at the point where we're making it up as we go along.
I wouldn't have a problem with these a-holes in California teaching their Muslim crap in school, if they would let the rest of us alone. Unfortunately that's not the way it works.
The people that espouse this horses**t about "separation of church and state" ought to be dragged out and beaten mercilessly with a copy of the constitution. There is no "separation of church and state". It doesn't exist in the constitution anywhere. Nothing. I challenge anyone - atheist, Muslim, Christian or Jew - reading this to find otherwise.
Our congress is not supposed to make laws establishing religion, but that's where it ends. The founding documents were not designed to support the stamping out of the very creator mentioned in those same documents.
There is nothing that says elected state and local governments and school boards can't do as the constituants who elected them see fit.
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posted on
01/24/2002 6:01:44 PM PST
by
AAABEST
To: AAABEST
Same thing that happened to the Second Amendment, lawyers and judges.
To: goldstategop
Hang the schools -- homeschool.
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posted on
01/24/2002 6:36:58 PM PST
by
WriteOn
To: WriteOn
Momma wanted to homeschool me but when we got to systems of partial differential equations she had to punt. So she sent me to public school, but the place had been overrun with Wiccans and Satanists who wanted to post the "Our Father" written backwards -- some sort of an incantation, we were told, to appease the dark spirits. Momma got mad, saying it was bad enough that she paid so much in taxes and she didn't want to pay to have some public school advertising the theological views of the local village idiots and that if they would kindly stop peddling their religious views and teach me how to solve systems of partial differential equations she'd be grateful. The school said that if I didn't want to chant incantations to dark spirits I could bow my head in a moment of silent reflection while the other kids went ahead, but Momma didn't seem to think that was "an acceptable resolution of the problem". The Wiccans and Satanists said bad things about Momma and suggested she wasn't a good parent and that they knew the One True Way and so on. Momma said later she thought they were insecure. Later on I read a book about a doomsday cult that minded their own business until their prophecies turned out to be false, and then they started a big campaign to convert everybody and attract members and tell everyone how, really, they had it all figured out. I was suprised, but when I mentioned the example to Momma she seemed to think it made sense somehow.
To: MissAmericanPie
"Same thing that happened to the Second Amendment, lawyers and judges." I know what you mean. Everywhere I turn I find people trying to wiggle away from the plain meaning of the second amendment, even in FR.
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To: ConsistentLibertarian
Fortunately, I don't have to punt on the partial differentials... of course, you can't get partial differentials in a public high school in America, anyway.
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posted on
01/24/2002 7:30:35 PM PST
by
WriteOn
To: DNA Rules
If we trust in God, "In God We Trust" should be everywhere it can be seen, and this is natural law, above the courtroom meatgrinders. If we don't trust in God, it doesn't matter whether we profess it or not. Simple as that. Like Bush says, you're either with us or against us. Seems like that stand fits an awful lot of the cancerous thinking that is taking over this Nation today.
Comment #15 Removed by Moderator
To: Arthur McGowan
Who cares? People with kids, I'd imagine.
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posted on
01/25/2002 1:01:39 AM PST
by
Pistias
To: AAABEST
How has that been twisted in such an Orwellian fashion that any reference to God must be eliminated from anything that receives a single dollar from the government? I'll give you a list of some of the relevant cases when I can get to my books tomorrow, if you'd like. I remember Lemon v. Kurtzmann (sp?), but I can't think of any others off the top of my head...3 hrs sleep/48 hour period makes for poor recall.
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posted on
01/25/2002 1:06:21 AM PST
by
Pistias
To: toddhisattva
What's He supposed to do, wave his wand and say "poof! you believe!"? People have to be reminded; we have a tendency to wander and forget what we know.
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posted on
01/25/2002 1:08:16 AM PST
by
Pistias
To: toddhisattva
Maybe the worry is that if kids go several hours without hearing mention of God, and everything is still OK, they'll start drawing inferences ...
To: Pistias
"People have to be reminded" Ahhh ... So it's all about government paternalism. Interesting.
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