The Effects of Hispanic Immigration

San Antonio Express-News & El Paso Times ^ | 01/24/02 | Carlos Guerra, Louie Gilot, and AP

[ThJ1800]

Will new immigrant voters be swinging 2002 state elections?
By Carlos Guerra, San Antonio Express-News, 01/24/2002
As Texas' 2002 election cycle kicks into gear, campaign professionals in both parties are nervously eyeing a mysterious voter group...Before 1990, Mexicans were among the foreigners least likely to seek naturalization, but during the '90s this began to change. Not long after large numbers started winning their amnesty, they became eligible to begin the naturalization process.

Group plans Spanish voter guide
By Associated Press, El Paso Times, 01/24/02
SAN ANTONIO -- For the first time, the League of Women Voters of Texas plans to issue a guide to statewide candidates written entirely in Spanish for the March 12 primaries. The league, which estimates more than 1 million Texas voters use the guides every election, has printed portions of its traditional question-and-answer guide in Spanish for several years.

Number living illegally in U.S. doubles in '90s
Louie Gilot, El Paso Times, 01/24/02
The number of undocumented immigrants in the United States more than doubled during the 1990s, new Census Bureau estimates show. Census estimates show that the number of undocumented immigrants in the United States rose nearly 5 million during the decade, to 8.7 million in 2000. Of that total, almost 3.9 million, or 44 percent, were from Mexico.

[FITZ]

I tend to think they are "American" without the hyphen. I don't even believe in the word "Hispanic" because it means very little as a description. I know blue-eyed blond "Hispanics" who don't speak Spanish, I know dark "Hispanics" who call themselves Mexicans, live in the North and don't speak Spanish and have never been to Mexico. I know people who have a parent from Mexico, live right on the border, have never been to Mexico, and consider themselves only to be American. Also an illegal immigrant from Guatemala usually has very little in common with a 3rd generation middle class Cuban American who has more in common with a third generation middle class Polish American ---so to me it's a weird discription but people seem to use it.

[WarHawk42]

In not too many more election cycles, Hispanics will be politically dominant in CA,AZ,NM and TX. I am going to speculate that they will also be democrat to probably 70+%. Texas Hispanic republicans will probably outnumber CA Hispanic republicans, but on balance, most Hispanics will be democrat.

When you have people who have nothing they will vote for the ones they see giving them something.  Just human nature.  Unless the republicans plan on out democrating the democrats they won't get the majority of the hispanic vote.  If they do out democrat the democrats it don't matter does it?  We lose either way.

I have been saying for sometime now the republicans are committing political suicide by not controlling our borders.  It's only a matter of time.  Their thought process only extends to the next election.  I don't believe they can see far enough ahead to see what they are doing long term.

WarHawk42

[umgud]

How will non hispanics fare when the Hispanic politicians have a plurality of hispanic constituents to please in CA and the US southwest? And who will pay the brunt of the taxes to support infrastructure and social programs if hispanics don't become better educated and start earning higher incomes?

[WarHawk42]

How will non hispanics fare when the Hispanic politicians have a plurality of hispanic constituents to please in CA and the US southwest?

For starters (they already have started) they will elect Hispanics.  They in turn of course will cater to their constituents, there hispanic constituents.  Law of the jungle at work.

And who will pay the brunt of the taxes to support infrastructure and social programs if hispanics don't become better
educated and start earning higher incomes?

The answer above covers that.  That will be no different than it is today.  We support them now.

WarHawk42

[Joe Hadenuf]

I have been saying for sometime now the republicans are committing political suicide by not controlling our borders. It's only a matter of time. Their thought process only extends to the next election.

We have been sitting here laughing at most of these post.

Uhmmm, lets see, what can we do to "convert these millions"??? Cookies? Cheaper housing. Free electricity? Reduce the prices in admission tickets to Disneyland?

The administration could win over more groups if it would give speaches in Chinese!

The Republicans could threaten enforce immigration laws, that might win them over or convert them! This is no longer anything to get upset about. Its absolutley laughable.

Just think, each year, another wave of the next million will be arriving, so were going to have to get real creative and think of better deals to offer each year. Like maybe department store discount coupons for every vote.

Like maybe department store discounts for every vote.

[WarHawk42]

Don't worry, I'm sure bush can come up with a lot of things to give them.  Amnesty under whatever name they choose to call it for starters.  It still won't be enough to buy their votes.

WarHawk42

[Joe Hadenuf]

It still won't be enough to buy their votes.

Of course it wont. LOL! Sometimes I think the Republican party has been heavily infiltrated by Democrates.

[Mamzelle]

One interesting thing to expect--the white liberal Dems are going to have their hands full trying to appease two competing aggrieved minorities...having taught at a school 33%W--33%B--33%H I saw real quick that blacks and hispanics do not necessarily get along.

[WarHawk42]

Sometimes I think the Republican party has been heavily infiltrated by Democrates.

I keep saying the only difference between a republican and a democrat is the federal programs they want.  They both think federal programs are OK as long as it is one they want.

Oh, and as long as it "their" guy proposing the program.:)

WarHawk42

[WarHawk42]

It looks like they need a little diversity training.</sarcasm>

WarHawk42

[Joe Hadenuf]

They never have. Put them in a jail environment, and things get ugly quick. Its a little better on the street.

[Joe Hadenuf]

I keep saying the only difference between a republican and a democrat is the federal programs they want. They both think federal programs are OK as long as it is one they want. Oh, and as long as it "their" guy proposing the program.:)

The two beltway parties are almost indistinguishable. And some of these well intentioned folks really don't have a clue what the hell is going on. This is no stinking game. Its a GD titanic invasion of hundreds of thousands every few months.

This little vote game of "win them over" or convert them, is pretty damn humorous.

[I got the rope]

You mean the oldest european settlement don't you? There is an town called ysleta in spanish near El Paso that has been continously settled for hundreds of years longer

[Joe Hadenuf]

Ridiculous, isn't it. Rigid immigration law enforcement using existing laws would resolve this problem in a relatively short time.

Oh yeah it is. If this "convert them", or "win them over" strategy prevails between these two beltway parties, this nation is done.

Only a matter of time.

[Doctor Stochastic]

Some people attack the New Mexico natives (Hispanic, and to a lesser extent Indian) for such things a speaking Spanish, being Spanish, being Catholic, not being Catholic, etc. Many of the posts complain about "Hispanics" rather than about illegals.

There seems to be an attempt to drive people out of the Republican party; it's working. Sometimes it seems that the "Conservatives" would rather be in an ideologically pure minority than to have to govern.

[koba]

This is one of the reasons blacks are generally leaving the Southwest and going to the South.

[Luis Gonzalez]

"You mean the oldest european settlement don't you?"

Thanks for the correction, of course you're right.

[glc1173@aol.com]

"For the first time, the League of Women Voters of Texas plans to issue a guide to statewide candidates written entirely in Spanish for the March 12 primaries. The league, which estimates more than 1 million Texas voters use the guides every election, has printed portions of its traditional question-and-answer guide in Spanish for several years." (Associated Press)

The main "effect" of Hispanic immigration isn't in partisan politics - but in the balkanization of the U.S.!

Name any other ethnic/religious/linguistic group getting remotely so much government service - particularly "bilingual education" - in some language other than English in the U.S.! "Bilingual education" is almost never about any other language but Spanish.

And let's be honest about the reality of Kalifornia - where the vast majority of Hispanic immigrants go. It is an incipient Mexican-culture nation - as "reconquista" proponents favor. That has never happened with Swedes in Minnesota or Italians in New York. High continuing Hispanic immigration will eventually result in Kalifornia seceding - with great benefits to conservatives in the other 49 states, as it will forever end the Democreeps' having any viability as a "national" party.

IMMIGRATION resource library - with public-health facts of immigration!

[WarHawk42]

The two beltway parties are almost indistinguishable.

The republican party has almost given up on even pretending to be conservative.

And some of these well intentioned folks really don't have a clue what the hell is going on.

In most cases I would question how well intentioned they are.  Most of what they do is designed for one thing and one thing only.  To get them re-elected.  It has nothing to do with good intentions.

This little vote game of "win them over" or convert them, is pretty damn humorous.

It would be humorous if it wasn't tearing this country apart.

WarHawk42