On Immigration, GOP is Duh

Townhall.com ^ | 1/23/02 | Don Feder

[FITZ]

There is every possibility that the legal hispanics don't want the illegal hispanics here any more than the average citizen does.

The only ones who do are the ones who hope to capitalize on either the votes or cheap labor. Everyone acts like the hispanics are a monolith which they aren't. Reagan had the hispanic vote back in the 80's, the fact that Bush didn't is because the so-called hispanic vote has been diluted with the votes of millions newly arrived types who believe they are entitled to a piece of the American pie. Some of the immigrants are Conservatives but the vast majority of illegals are not Conservative in any way ----all one needs to do is check out their illegitimacy rate or dropout rate.

[skeeter]

I agree with Don Feder that on immigration the GOP's policy is duh. So I expect things will continue to get a lot worse before they get better.

I wish I could be as optimistic. Unfortunately, immigration policy mistakes are permanent. No do-overs.

[skeeter]

I'd be surprised if most Hispanics did not see this as cynical pandering. It's not like they have never seen this before from the democrats. I sense the idiocy of Karl Rove in this.

Why should they vote for the GOP when they are getting the best of all worlds under the current climate? Bush is counting on eventual voter loyalty but he's baiting the hook with self-interest.

[hflynn]

The problem is it is the 3rd party voters, who could have determined the last 3 elections, are the ones who bitch the most after the election. The funny thing is it wouldn't matter to them who won they would still be bitching.

[Jethro Tull]

WHAT'S REALLY DOPEY ABOUT THIS GOP STRATEGY, IS THAT THEY EXPECT ILLEGALS, WHO BREAK INTO AMERICA HUNGRY, BROKE AND NEEDING WORK, TO VOTE FOR THE PARTY THAT HAS AS IT'S CORNERSTONE, TAX CUTS.

HAS ANY GOP'er FIGURED OUT YET THAT THESE ILLEGALS DON'T PAY TAXES? ALSO, VERY FEW ILLEGALS BREAK INTO AMERICA WITH AN 'ESTATE' THAT WILL BENEFIT FROM
AN ELIMINATION OF THE 'ESTATE TAX.'

THE D's WILL GIVE THEM IMMEDIATE HOUSING, FOOD, MONEY, MEDICAL CARE AND SCHOOLS (INCLUDING FREE COLLEGE).

THE D's WILL WIN THE HANDOUT
GAME EVERY TIME...

[jpsb]

Thru out recorded history thier has been one great struggle; the wealthy elites battle to keep the middle class "in it's place". Only in the USA has the middle class won that battle, now we are losing it. The weathly elites have taken complete control of our government and are now intend upon distroying the American middle class. They have shipped our jobs, over seas. They have flooded the country with immigrants that do not share our values, they have dummed down our schools so our children will be ignorant and easily lead. This is not a Dem/GOP thing, this is what you get then your government is completely in control of the weathly.

The idea is to make America into another third world nation, with a wealthy ruling class, and a massive dirt poor peeasant class.

I think they have largely succeeded as more and more of the middle class lose thier jobs and become poor and depeandant upon the crumbs more the rich.

[MissAmericanPie]

Well they just don't know who they are messing with do they. I hope you will consider joining our boycotts of a few major corporation at a time, we are in the process of starving them out of existance. We make the money, we control the money, we can just say No.

[Barnacle]

It is disconcerting that America seems to be following the same path to destruction as ancient Rome.

[WRhine]

So George Bush is now responsible for undoing 30 years of Democratic immigration policy disasters overnight? I don't thing so Mr. Whine. You should be attacking the Kennedy Immigration Party.

Undoing? Bush is making the problem worse. You better think long and hard about the Bush proposal to grant Amnesty to millions of illegal aliens from Mexico, his resurrection of immigrant welfare and his refusal, even after 9/11, to protect our borders. He is the guy in the hot seat now and by his own actions Bush is accelerating the already parabolic trend of more 3rd world immigration. How else can his actions be interpreted? Oh and thanks for the insult.

[cdw19390]

The writing is on the wall GRINGOs, America will be a banana republic in one more generation, SI! We will fall from socialist ideas from within, but it was a grande' ride now was'nt it. Time for my siesta. Muchus gracious

[WRhine]

but the others are liberals who want large government and the welfare type programs including bilingual education so they can keep their own culture and language.

This is really what happens with immigrant welfare. It encourages the immigrants to transplant their culture here without assimilating. Bush apparently thinks this is a good idea.

[cdw19390]

Yeah but on the bright side, they lose too! A collapsing building or sinking ship does not ask party affiliation! So we will be one large baby killing spanish speaking homosexual country. Gay cabalero's! Bill Maher should be very happy.

[hflynn]

The Mexican amnesty issue died on 9/11.

Immigrant welfare? I'll assume you referring to the 2.1 billion over 10 years Immigrant food stamp program Bush wants restored for LEGAL IMMIGRANTS. A political stroke of genius that probably is going to save billions by addressing the issue before the Democrats legislate the 20 billion dollar alternative.

Bush isn't in the hot seat at all. He didn't create the immigration problem the Democrats did but of course your a Libertarian so it really doesn't matter who created it as long as you get your daily whine.

Your welcome.

[WRhine]

The Mexican amnesty issue died on 9/11.

I guess you missed the news a couple of weeks ago that Bush has resurrected his push for Amnesty for 3.5 million illegal aliens.

Immigrant welfare? I'll assume you referring to the 2.1 billion over 10 years Immigrant food stamp program Bush wants restored for LEGAL IMMIGRANTS. A political stroke of genius that probably is going to save billions by addressing the issue before the Democrats legislate the 20 billion dollar alternative.

I used to be a party guy like you that would make excuses for the GOP's leftward drift. No more. At some point ideology really does matter over political maneuvering. If the GOP is always trying to cut the difference with the democrats it is academic that the GOP will institute the very socialism of the democrats...just at a slower rate.

[Reaganwuzthebest]

The Mexican amnesty issue died on 9/11.

Certainly hope you're right on that one. But according to FAIR's web site in their Legislative update as of January 15th they state the following:

Bush Administration Revives Amnesty Talks With Mexico

Last Thursday, Secretary of State Collin Powell and Mexican Foreign Minister Jorge Castaneda resumed talks on granting amnesty to illegal Mexican aliens. Powell said, "I am determined, the president is determined . . . to get back to the very important issue of regularizing the movement of Mexicans." The Administration may try to grant amnesty to Mexicans by attaching it to an agricultural guestworker program where after a certain amount of time aliens would be given permanent residency status. Just last month Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle (D-SD) and House Minority Leader Dick Gephardt (D-MO) visited Mexican President Vicente Fox and reassured him that an amnesty would be brought before the Congress this year.

I'm not really sure if Bush understands what this policy is going to do to the Republican party, or if he understands no one but special interests want this. It is not in the national interest.

[PRND21]

Mexicans don't want tax cuts?
Of course they pay taxes, but that's not the point.
Where do the majority of Mexicans stand on gun control? Abortion? Religious freedoms? Capitalism?

[PRND21]

If Bush has to promise like a Democrat to get those votes then he will lose the Conservatives.

Lose the conservatives to whom?
And what has he promised.

[PRND21]

You should be attacking the Kennedy Immigration Party.

John and Woodrow still have their lefty mitts on our lives.

[PRND21]

Assimilation is not occurring anymore because our government and social institutions no longer require it.

Assimilation is occurring in my SoCal neighborhood. How about yours?

[FITZ]

If there is no real difference in the two major parties and both are pandering for votes, people will either head to third parties or stay home figuring their votes for one party or the other make no difference. The Texas democrat gubernatorial race will be debated in Spanish. Not a bilingual debate but all Spanish debate and the candidates are already accusing the other of not being Hispanic enough. Apparently --according to Sanchez -- Morales has made the mistake of pronouncing his own name too much like an American would. Meanwhile Perry is off trying to learn Spanish as fast as he can ---it's not going to be about issues, it'll be on whose Spanish is the best.