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1 posted on 01/21/2002 10:46:05 AM PST by codeword
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To: codeword
He should go to jail. Right now.

If he had to pay off loans, he should have used his Compaq stock ($8 million !!!!). He should not have used the Enron stock he knew would be utterly worthless once the SEC forced him to tell the truth.

He's just a rick with a p in front.

2 posted on 01/21/2002 11:16:07 AM PST by Vladiator
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To: codeword
Ken Lay belongs in jail. If the Enron investigation is allowed to run its course (w/o political interference), there are gonna be a lot of white collar workers (including Lay) behind bars.
3 posted on 01/21/2002 11:17:19 AM PST by VoodooEconomist
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To: codeword
Enron Chief Says His Sale of Stock Was to Pay Loans

Don't misunderstand. I'm not defending Ken Lay but the heading is incorrect. Lay didn't say this. His lawyer said it. We all know how lawyers lie.

4 posted on 01/21/2002 11:25:32 AM PST by FreePaul
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" Elaborate accounting hoax"

this is accountingese for PONZI SCEME!!!! ROFLMAO

7 posted on 01/21/2002 12:11:02 PM PST by Roger_W_Isom
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To: codeword
Somebody get a rope.
8 posted on 01/21/2002 12:11:54 PM PST by snakebitevoter
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Citing the disclosure last week that Enron paid no income taxes in four of the last five years, Mr. Levin also said, "We've got to change our tax laws."

Flat Tax. 10%. No deductions, everyone pays. Simple as that.

9 posted on 01/21/2002 12:17:25 PM PST by conserv13
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To: codeword
More evidence that Enron was a vast ponzi scheme.
10 posted on 01/21/2002 12:19:23 PM PST by RobbyS
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To: codeword
I don't profess to be an expert here, but the research information is available to anyone who wants to bother looking it up: listings of the insider trades for all publicly traded stocks are easily available via Yahoo.com's finance pages (and countless other websites, too). Lay's stock wheeling and dealering in stock seems practically unvelieveable.

Over the period of Jan 2001 through July 31, Lay made approximately 360 (yeah - three hundred sixty) trades in Enron stock. It was like he was day-trading in his own company! Then suddenly on August 1st, the trade flurry stopped -- a couple more trades on Aug. 20-21, and that was the end of the list (there's a delay before listings are made, so one can't be certain of trades after October, but clearly something happened to slow the tide of trades after July).

So it's pretty obvious that something wierd was going on -- that's a crazy amount of trading. It's really to the point at which one would have to question whether the CEO/Chairman of the Board was paying any attention to his primary job... but certainly he knew (above anyone) exactly where the stock price stood -- probably on an hourly basis!

12 posted on 01/21/2002 12:22:08 PM PST by alancarp
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"The reason he stopped selling was that he thought the stock was going to go up," Mr. Bennett said earlier this month.

A more likely reason is that his stock options were probably no longer "in the money", meaning the strike price was above what the current trading price of the stock was.

As far as these loans from Enron, I think it will be revealed that these were actually a disguised form of compensation. I don't know for sure, but I imagine it worked this way:

You issue a "loan" to Lay, along with stock options sufficient to repay it. The stock options aren't taxed until they're exercised, and you don't pay tax on money you've borrowed. If the "loan" is used for investment purposes, you even get to deduct the interest from your income tax.

It's a sweet deal that most of us don't get from the company we work for.

But to all those who say that Ken Lay belongs in jail, I have just one question. For what crime?

It may not be as easy to pin anything on him as some here believe. It's not at all clear, for example, that the phony accounting was illegal. It's not going to be easy to prove that his stock sales were insider trading, especially if they were part of "program sales" in which he announced his irrevocable intention to sell shares in the future.

Don't misunderstand me. I'm not trying to defend this creep, and I think the political pressure will be strong enough that he gets indicted for something. But don't be shocked if it doesn't stick. He may be liable civilly for some damages, but criminal charges will be much more difficult to show unless we uncover some new damning evidence.

16 posted on 01/21/2002 12:31:31 PM PST by Dog Gone
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Doesn't matter what the stock sale proceeds were for....
Lay was bailing out of Enron stock - with full knowledge that the house of cards was about to fall - while simultaneously pitching the company to the (unsuspecting?) dupes on Wall Street as well as employees.

Jail time is appropriate - but unlikely.
Lay will probably be on the lecture tour in a couple of years.

17 posted on 01/21/2002 12:34:38 PM PST by TheGrimReaper
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Sounds like another story of corporate raiding like Chainsaw Al of Sunbeam and Scott Paper fame. I wonder what other companies Kenneth Lay has in his past, that he has put under. This man is a criminal.

The employees should get a class action lawsuit and sue Lay and any of the other executives that are involved. If only to tie them up with legal fees for years to come.

20 posted on 01/21/2002 12:42:44 PM PST by all4one
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So he was borrowing real money and paying it back using fake (Enron stock) money. No matter how you look at it, this guy was a con man. The company itself was doing the same thing. They would borrow money and then pay it back in Enron stock. Wow! Just like printing your own currency isn't it? It's all about fraud and how the management looted the company.

Richard W.

24 posted on 01/21/2002 1:07:38 PM PST by arete
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