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A Cop In Every Computer
LAW.Com ^ | January 16, 2002 | Mike Godwin

Posted on 01/18/2002 12:36:29 PM PST by Resplendent

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1 posted on 01/18/2002 12:36:29 PM PST by Resplendent
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To: Resplendent
None of this will matter unless Linux is outlawed. Which might happen.
2 posted on 01/18/2002 12:40:54 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum
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To: Resplendent
Bump. (for later)
3 posted on 01/18/2002 12:43:58 PM PST by Ragin1
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In short: The content industry wants to place a copyright cop in your computer.
The so-called "content industry" shrieks censorship and waxes libertarian when anyone suggests reasonable labeling standards for adult material. Yet they want to turn our networks into gulags when their revenue streams are threatened.

Now if you will excuse I must return to my bootlegged pornography. (When are you lynix hackers going to save us from all this?)
4 posted on 01/18/2002 12:47:29 PM PST by Asclepius
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Precisely. This stuff happens, Linux wins. They would have to outlaw Linux. And they would have to somehow get corporate IT managers to accept snitchware in business computers. These guys' picture should be in the dictionary next to the definition of "pissing upwind."
5 posted on 01/18/2002 12:52:26 PM PST by eno_
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Yes, but breaking the DMCA is illegal, so... oh wait, this must be your OTHER personality.
6 posted on 01/18/2002 12:53:56 PM PST by eno_
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To: Asclepius
Right. The content industry, at least the representatives depicted in this story, are a bunch of whiners demanding that the government stifle the free market so their outdated business models can continue to work. Times change, technology changes, deal with it.
7 posted on 01/18/2002 12:55:56 PM PST by ThinkDifferent
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don't these jackholes already get a royalty payment tacked on to every peice of blank recording media? I thought this was settled a long time ago.
8 posted on 01/18/2002 12:56:24 PM PST by tomakaze
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To: Resplendent
Don't worry, the sky isn't falling. No matter what spyware they try to put on your computer, we'll be able to crack it. We'll rewrite drivers, block software, uninstall it from the OS, or whatever else it takes. That which is made by statist techies can be unmade by free techies.
9 posted on 01/18/2002 12:57:32 PM PST by WindMinstrel
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Yes, but breaking the DMCA is illegal, so... oh wait, this must be your OTHER personality.
Pish-posh. A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds and libertarians, which is redundant. Life is rich: learn to flow with it.
10 posted on 01/18/2002 12:58:25 PM PST by Asclepius
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Yah yah, but it SHOULD be pointed out that Fair Use is a doctrine. It's in the unenumerated "penumbra." And the DMCA creates new federal felonies. You OK with all that?
11 posted on 01/18/2002 1:14:22 PM PST by eno_
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Yah yah, but it SHOULD be pointed out that Fair Use is a doctrine. It's in the unenumerated "penumbra." And the DMCA creates new federal felonies. You OK with all that?
I have no idea what you're talking about, effendi. (I know about fair use, because it governs materials I cite in my papers etc. That sort of thing.)
12 posted on 01/18/2002 1:19:06 PM PST by Asclepius
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Fair use also covers home recording, and is part of the basis of the Betamax Decision. I.e. I can, among other things, copy a work and give it to you for no compensation, and that is (was) not considered criminal. Now, if I break even the lamest copy control scheme to do the same thing, its a federal case.

The serious point being: The kind of freedom we lose if these schmucks put "a cop in every PC" is VERY analogous to the kind of freedom lost to the Drug War.

13 posted on 01/18/2002 1:24:39 PM PST by eno_
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The serious point being: The kind of freedom we lose if these schmucks put "a cop in every PC" is VERY analogous to the kind of freedom lost to the Drug War.
I am not trying to be difficult, effendi. But I honestly do not see the connection or the resemblance between the erosion of the fair use doctrine and the sorts of "freedoms lost to the drug war." I am not suggesting that you do not have a few legitimate claims: civil asset forfieture laws, erosions of the 4th amendment etc. I just do not see the connection between the distribution of intellectual property and the consumption of controlled substances.
14 posted on 01/18/2002 1:30:03 PM PST by Asclepius
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To: Resplendent
What software consumers need to do to beat software companies to the punch is to send each software company such as Microsoft, Intuit, and others a notice. This notorized, witnessed sealed, and return receipt required document would state under what conditions you will purchase software. Put in the notice that if the software company, its agents or dealers take your money for software your letter will be the only conditions that govern the sale and use of the software, documentation, and packaging. The first clause should expressly say you do not agree to any terms contained in any contract included or printed on or in the software. Say the only conditions that exist are the ones in your letter of purchase conditions. If they do not agree to your tems their only recourse is to not exchange your money for copies of their software.

It should say that if they or their dealers or agents accept your payment they are agreeing to your terms.

I won't elaborate on all the things you could include, but if you reverse the average shrink wrap contract so it is as much in favor of the buyer as the sofware companies shrink wrap contract is in favor of the software company you get the idea. It should day that clicking on any box or typing any letters or pressing any keys to cause the program to install or work ir for any purpose including but not limited to chance in no way constitutes acceptance of any terms.

If everyone did this in a national movement with lots of press it would reverse the situation. Trying to supplant conditions revealed to both the seller and buyer before the sale by the buyer, with conditions only revealed to the buyer after the transaction would be a tough legal road for Gates or anyone else to hoe.

I think you will find in common law that any buyer that states his conditions fo purchase before the sale, then offers his money on those terms, and the seller takes it, has bought the items on his terms. What he seller wants to happen after the sales is conumated by exchange of money for product not worth a warm pitcher of legal spit.

15 posted on 01/18/2002 1:32:03 PM PST by Common Tator
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
I'm not sure Linux would get around it. This sounds like they want the copy protection imbedded in the firmware.
16 posted on 01/18/2002 1:40:58 PM PST by tacticalogic
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No way! There would be a work around on the net so fast that the stuff would never be distributed.
17 posted on 01/18/2002 1:47:50 PM PST by Cold Heat
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In a speech before Congress in 2000, Michael Eisner, chief executive of The Walt Disney Co., voiced the worries of the content industry when he said that "the future of the American entertainment industry [and] the future of American consumer" is at stake over the issue.

Let Eisner, Rosen of the RIAA, and others of their ilk rot in copyright legal hell.

Copyrights are not eternal and all works were intended to lapse into the public domain (they weren't supposed to renew much past the death of the creator of the work).

Now that entities are posied to see their vast archives of 20th century pop culture lapse into public domain, copyright law is changing to permit more extensions, retroactively expired rights were extended.

All of this is more laughable when one investigates copyright law at the beginning of the 20th century, when the Supreme Court originally ruled that performers on records did not need to pay the original author of the songs. Then when radio came along, the SC ruled that radio stations playing records did not need to pay labels, artists, songwriters.

Each of these changes to copyright law happened because of lobbying by the entertainment industry and always because the next change will somehow end all that came before it. If people can buy records, they won't see live music again! If people can hear records on the radio, they won't buy them in stores and bands on the radio will be replaced by records (didn't really happen until television came along, and the performers just went to tv).

Now the RIAA goes after camp counselors who lead sing-alongs without paying royalties.

Payola predates records and radio. It stretched back to when songwriters would bribe to get their songs sung in vaudville houses (in the 1800s). Paid plants would sing-a-long in the audience to cause other people to believe the song was popular. Other ploys would be to get someone to sing the song around the corner at the bar. The profit motive was this, kids would hawk the sheet music between the acts.

There were the same kinds of investigations and bans on this payola as would later come to radio.

This is about money, it is not about securing "artists" rights. Anyone who has ever had an auditor go through the books of the industry has always collected money that didn't make its way to the artist.

18 posted on 01/18/2002 1:59:26 PM PST by weegee
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To: tacticalogic
"I'm not sure Linux would get around it. This sounds like they want the copy protection imbedded in the firmware."

I am not trying to act like I know more than I know, but the Linux community gets off on stuff like this.

I bought an iPAQ PDA recently specifically because there is a Linux port to it, and you have to flash the RAM to get it in there.

This morning's Slashdot has a link to a project for flashing Linux firmware to 802.11b wireless access points.

The DVD encryption algorithm didn't even make it onto the market before it was cracked.

Hardware copy protection schemes will certainly come, but my bet is that 14-year old hardcore hackers will make short work of them.

I hope they do, anyway.

19 posted on 01/18/2002 2:21:12 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum
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The so-called "content industry" shrieks censorship and waxes libertarian when anyone suggests reasonable labeling standards for adult material. Yet they want to turn our networks into gulags when their revenue streams are threatened.

First thing that came to me also. Probably everybody else reading this thread I'm sure.

The content companies, with Eisner in the lead, argue that failure to build copy protection into the very digital environment itself will lead to their industry's destruction.

Don't get my hopes up.

20 posted on 01/18/2002 2:30:33 PM PST by He Rides A White Horse
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