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To: Unbeliever
869. "The Church is apostolic. She is built on a lasting foundation: 'the twelve APOSTLES of the Lamb' [Rev 21:14.]. She is indestructible (cf. Mt 16:18). She is upheld infallibly in the truth: Christ governs her through Peter and the other APOSTLES, who are PRESENT in their successors, the Pope and the college of bishops." And? Your point? Do you really think that we believe that John Paul II is possessed by the spirit of Peter? Then you are nuts.

Excuse me? That is what YOUR catechism states. It is bad enough that you reject Biblical authority, now you're rejecting catechism too.

You DO think that this says that the pope is possessed by Peter! No. Only the authority of Peter and the Apostles has been passed on to the pope and the other bishops. Peter and the other guys are taking their ease in heaven, up in the skyboxes, so to speak. When Paul VI said "I am Peter," he was speaking only figuratively, somewhat as DeGaulle said "I am France." (not quite as sure in the latter case)

453 posted on 01/24/2002 6:30:51 PM PST by RobbyS
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To: RobbyS
You DO think that this says that the pope is possessed by Peter! No. Only the authority of Peter and the Apostles has been passed on to the pope and the other bishops. Peter and the other guys are taking their ease in heaven, up in the skyboxes, so to speak. When Paul VI said "I am Peter," he was speaking only figuratively, somewhat as DeGaulle said "I am France." (not quite as sure in the latter case)

through Peter and the other APOSTLES, who are PRESENT in their successors, the Pope and the college of bishops.
through-By the means or agency of:
Peter
and-Together with or along with; in addition to; as well as
the-Used before singular or plural nouns and noun phrases that denote particular, specified persons or thing
other-different from that or those implied or specified
APOSTLES-One of a group made up especially of the 12 disciples chosen by Jesus to preach the gospel
who-What or which person or persons
are-Second person singular and plural and first and third person plural present indicative of be
PRESENT-Being at hand or in attendance. Existing in something specified.
in-Located inside; inner
their-The possessive form of they
successors,-One that succeeds another
the-Used before singular or plural nouns and noun phrases that denote particular, specified persons or things:
pope-The bishop of rome and head of the roman catholic church
and-Together with or along with; in addition to; as well as
the-Used before singular or plural nouns and noun phrases that denote particular, specified persons or things:
college-A body of persons having a common purpose or shared duties
of-Derived or coming from; originating at or from
bishops-A high-ranking Christian cleric, in modern churches usually in charge of a diocese and in some churches regarded as having received the highest ordination in unbroken succession from the apostles

This is what the dictionary says these words mean. Are you now not only Anti-Bible and anti-catechism, but Anti-Dictionary as well?

455 posted on 01/24/2002 7:17:04 PM PST by Unbeliever
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