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Context, it's very important to understanding the written word, right? In fact, very important. Now let's have look at one section of the Nicene creed, the one that you are both so fasinated with:

Who for us men and for our salvation came down from heaven, and was incarnate of the Holy Spirit and the Virgin Mary, and was made man;

Now who is this about? Clearly, in context, it is about our Lord Jesus. And more specifically how he came to earth, His Incarnation and birth. Within context, for many centuries those believers who spoke it understood it to mean that Jesus was born through the miracle of the virgin birth via the Holy Spirit. That's what it says and that's what it means. Any attempt to put anything else into it comes clearly from the reader's imagination and is a dangerous and unorthodox opinion. Many do the same with Holy Scripture, that is where the Perpetual Virginity came from, not Scripture, but imagination and "Tradition". But honest RC's admit that it is a relatively new belief. So what kind of "tradition" is this, unbiblical and unnecessary. The creed is about Jesus, not Mary. Christianity is about Jesus, not Mary, although many like to change it to Maryanity, which God does not endorse in His word.

Now who is this about? Clearly, in context, it is about our Lord Jesus. And more specifically how he came to earth, His Incarnation and birth.

You mean like Matthew 1:25 is about Jesus and how he came to earth, His Incarnation and birth? And how it's not making a statement about Mary?

But honest RC's admit that it is a relatively new belief.

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Baloney. St. Jerome believed it, and totally demolished Helvidius who maintained a flawed concept of Christianity just as you do, having in common your mistaken belief that Mary and Joseph consummated their marriage (which is obviously not true, supported by Scripture, and by the witness of the early Church Fathers).

So what kind of "tradition" is this, unbiblical and unnecessary. The elevation of Jesus and Mary go together. Has it ever occured to you that those who deny Mary the title of Theotokos tend to deny divinity to Jesus? Hence its necessity. Every honor given to Mary stems from belief in the historicity of the Virgin Birth. Hence its "biblicality." Furthermore, far from regarding Mary as an unearthly being, we regard her as our Mother. The notion of her as "Second Eve" indicates that she shares our humanity and our need for redemption.