[Native American Female Vet]

"The "planning" that you talk about was wrt the out of control ATF, not X41."

The 'out of control ATF' under x41 planned the raid. The same 'out of control ATF' under x42 executed it. It was still the same 'out of control' ATF under both administrations and no matter what there would have been a raid.

In other words it was the same out of control ATF under both administrations and while the outcomes would have been diffrent since the people calling the shots (Hillary and Web) were not the same... the plan would have still been carried out.

It is also still the same 'out of controll ATF' today as it was under both those administrations. The same people still work there. The new director Benton was appointed in 94 by Clinton has now been promoted to head the ATF by Bush.

My point is that while all these administrations may have executed things diffrently, the policy within the out of control ATF has been the same and still has not changed. Beck being the most recent example I can think of.

[sauropod]

Then we are in agreement. Though i recall reading that Her Heinous was directly involved in the ok for Waco. Given what was done wrt the Travel Office stuff, Elian, and the direction passed down from on high in 1995 or so that FBI agents and others stop doing anti-terrorist work and concentrate on things like music piracy and global warming, that Administration was certainly capable of micromanaging decisions regarding Waco.

BATF is still "out of control."