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What is the difference between hdtv and digital tv
vanity | 1/16/2001 | Redangus

Posted on 01/16/2002 6:12:20 PM PST by redangus

I know there are a variety of smart people of different professions on this forum so I hope someone could help me with a question. I am looking at replacing my 43 inch Sony TV. We have been looking at HDTV projection sets, plasma screens - HDTV and analog, and regular analog projection sets. We have digital cable available, plus the option of the digital satellite. The hdtv's are very expensive, in most cases double a big screen analog(you don't want to know the cost of a HDTV Plasma). My question is does hooking a digital source to an analog set give you the same or nearly the same quality of picture as running standard cable into an HD set? What about digital cable into an HD set? What about picture quality from a DVD player to either of the sets? What is the difference between a digital cable box and an ATSC HD decoder? Any assistance with this decision will be greatly appreciated. Thanks.


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1 posted on 01/16/2002 6:12:21 PM PST by redangus
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To: redangus
1st thing to evaluate is digital vs. analog. Anytime you introduce something digital, you will have improved performance - sources such as DVD or Digital Satellite or Cable, provide better quality comparable to CD over traditional tape or vinyl media; there's error correction built-in, in addition to other efficiency improvements. You can also use an S-Video cable to connect your digital source devices to your analog set, given it has an s-video input, for better transmission than typical RG-6 cable. HDTV defines a picture format (and quality) on top of the mere benefits of transmitting the signals via analog or digital. Thus digital is a better way to transmit traditional picture + formats. You ask the difference between a digital cable box and an ATSC HD decoder; ultimately, once / as the cable providers transmit the HDTV signal along with the basic picture, Dolby, closed caption + SAP data, your digital cable box will be doing HDTV. Ultimately they will have HDTV-analog converters that will let you get HDTV source and play it on your regular (analog) TV, so if price is a concern keep that in mind.
2 posted on 01/16/2002 6:34:38 PM PST by Steven W.
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To: redangus
Well, I just got a 55" Mits HDTV (16:9) a few months ago, so I'll take a stab at helping you on a couple of questions, but more knowledgable Freepers will have to fill in the gaps.

1) Analog cable and digital cable are both NTSC signals-- 480i (interlaced) resolution if memory serves. Digital is usually considered better, if only because signal noise is minimal (you won't see "snowy" images). On the downside, a digital signal can be over-compressed (you may see intermittent large square pixels on your tube during fast action scenes, for instance, although this is pretty rare in my experience)

2) Many HDTV sets have built-in line doublers (convert 480i to 480p), so watching even regular TV channels (whether coming from analog or digital cable) can show noticeable improvement over a non-HDTV set. But don't expect miracles. Garbage in = Garbage out.

3) Picture quality with DVD is where it starts to get really good. If you get a progressive scan DVD player and hook it up to an HDTV using component cable inputs-- not S-Video or composite-- you will start to see what an HDTV monitor is capable of. BIG improvement.

4) Digital cable boxes merely allow the display of digital cable content (still NTSC signal). An HDTV decoder for NTSC/ATSC allows you to view HDTV signals on an NTSC set, so you would not need one if you are buying an HDTV set.

Sorry, that's about the extent of my knowledge and I'm sure I'll be corrected if I missed something. By the way, my area still doesn't offer HDTV, so I bought the set strictly for DVD-watching right now. When HDTV arrives, I just hook up a tuner and I'm in business. Get a 16:9 ratio set if you're mostly into movie-watching. Makes a big difference.

3 posted on 01/16/2002 6:34:53 PM PST by NYS_Eric
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To: redangus
Hope someone can give you a good answer because I'm wondering myself.

When I was Christmas shopping I went into Circuit City and couldn't help but notice all the HDTV, Digital TVs etc etc.

Which one is better or are they the same thing.

4 posted on 01/16/2002 6:43:05 PM PST by VinnyTex
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To: redangus
Found this with a quick internet search.
5 posted on 01/16/2002 6:47:47 PM PST by VinnyTex
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To: redangus
Lets see if I can help. Just a layman's experience.

HDTV= High definition TV. The show needs to be broadcast in HDTV to receive it in HDTV. This is not the same as digitial cable. Digital cable just transmits in 1's and 0's -- enabling you to get more information than analog (waves). A DVD player will work on any of them.

Not much is being broadcast in HDTV yet so I don't see why you should pay for it now. I got a 59' rear projection 16x9 television from Pioneer that is HDTV ready -- which means when I am ready I can buy the adapter and it will be able to receive HDTV signals. Meanwhile it is hooked up to digital cable, which is decoded by a digital cable box provided by my provider.

6 posted on 01/16/2002 7:03:32 PM PST by monkeyshine
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To: monkeyshine
Oh, btw any TV will be able to recieve HDTV.. you just need to buy the right adapter. Older TV's won't look as a good as new ones, and as always the technology gets better and better in time.
7 posted on 01/16/2002 7:06:59 PM PST by monkeyshine
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To: redangus
HDTV is the new broadcast standard for broadcast television. You must have a station broadcasting HDTV to receive the picture. It is also not broadcast over cable yet. You can only receive it over an attenna, and not all stations in all markets have HDTV available.

If you are in the market for a new big screen, I suggest getting one of the 16:9 "HDTV-ready" televisions. It will not have an HDTV decoder in it, so you will not be able to watch HDTV on it without a buying a decoder, but you save yourself the cost of the decoder until they are cheaper and more HDTV programming is available unless you just want one now. Get the 16:9 so you can see widescreen DVDs in actual widescreen.
8 posted on 01/16/2002 7:08:03 PM PST by nhoward14
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To: redangus
Do a google search on HDTV FAQ. There are a lot of links about this sort of thing. The last time I was researching this, it seems that its on the verge of becoming a reality, and all the pieces are starting to become available. Only thing is, early adopters always get to be guinea pigs and also end up paying the most.
9 posted on 01/16/2002 7:09:57 PM PST by Frohickey
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To: nhoward14
The "digital cable" means that they send it digitally over the cable channels. That means error correction can be applied to it, giving the promise of better picture quality. or less degradation from the original.

Digital TV means it is capable of getting these signals directly.

HDTV is a whole nuther step in quality. It takes up more channels (bandwidth) to broadcast, and has a much higher quality picture. Something like 1080 horizontal lines of resolution compared to 400 something for the current standard.

From Digital Video Formats compared DTV, the new method of transmitting TV to our homes sometime between now and year 2006, also has a number of standards and formats. They are all devised to deliver 19.2Mbps (million bits per second) of MPEG-2 compressed data via satellite/cable/broadcast venues, resulting in one channel of HDTV, or maybe five channels of SDTV (Standard Definition TV) plus maybe some Internet data.

10 posted on 01/16/2002 7:19:23 PM PST by glorgau
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To: redangus
Think of it in terms of LPI (lines per inch) on your monitor. Analog broadcast is usually at 200 lpi, whereas my satellite digital feed comes in at 480 lpi. DVDs are produced to output at 480 lpi with the added benefit of optional widescreen format. My set is HDTV capable but I have yet to find any media that actually outputs the HDTV format of 1080 LPI. HBO broadcasts 2 or 3 movies a week in HDTV but you need a special satellite antenna and subscription to the service etc, etc. I have seen a sample in a store and boy, is it sharp. Images leap right off the screen. So if you're looking to buy, most advanced digital widescreen sets are HDTV ready but chances are you won't see much content in the near future.
11 posted on 01/16/2002 7:20:27 PM PST by Grim
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To: redangus
The question: "What is the difference between hdtv and digital tv"

The answer: Who cares? There is almost nothing on TV worth watching, nor on DVD, which is all Hollywood crap. I don't need to have HDTV to watch the only worthwhile channel..the Fox News Channel. And that I mainly listen to the audio while working on other things.

12 posted on 01/16/2002 7:35:01 PM PST by Voltage
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To: Voltage
You sound like me.
13 posted on 01/16/2002 7:58:05 PM PST by Pushi
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To: redangus
Outstanding question! I have always wanted to know this. Im eagerly awaiting the prices to fall on those big flat screens.
14 posted on 01/16/2002 8:03:28 PM PST by Husker24
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To: Voltage
There is almost nothing on TV worth watching

Sure, but which system shows the junk most clearly? You know commercials during the Superbowl are going to be mindblowing. Don't want to miss that, do you? BTW, I expect a full report, since I will be reading a book at that time, or possibly will be online at FR.

57 channels, and nuthin's on :)

15 posted on 01/16/2002 8:11:07 PM PST by RightWhale
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To: redangus
Digital TV uses 1' & 0's to tranmit television signals (verses an analog signal). A compression method is used in a manner that only some 1's and 0's are transmitted. From one frame to the next, any redundant picture information is not transmitted. Therefore, by compressing the signal this way, they can transmit 12 digital channels in the same amount of space it would take to transmit 1 analog channel.

HDTV is used to improve picture quality by doubling lines of resolution.

16 posted on 01/16/2002 8:17:28 PM PST by mtg
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To: RightWhale
While I can only speculate, its my impression that most people would not wish to pay high prices to replace their tv's so they can watch the same lousy programs in high resolution.

Now if these future tv's are cheap, say $100 for a 19 inch high resolution digital tv, then all bets are off.

My question..who actually sits down and watches tv all evening? If you do you need to think seriously about your life.

17 posted on 01/16/2002 8:43:54 PM PST by Voltage
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To: Voltage
I own 6 TVs, one in each room. I haven't turned any of them on since 1993, I think it was, whenever it was the compound at Waco was torched with 30 mph winds blowing. It's funny since I watched TV from 1952 until 1993 almost every waking hour. Then one day I turned it off. Easier than quitting smoking. Maybe the 16:9 [is that the screen size ratio?] HDTV will bring me back. Maybe not.
18 posted on 01/16/2002 9:29:31 PM PST by RightWhale
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To: redangus
Let me take a stab at this. I just spent a month deciding which DVD player to buy for my older, analog system.

1) HDTV paints your television screen with lines in one pass from top to bottom a certain number of times each second (30, 60, 64, etc.). The number differs for analog TV, HDTV and movies tranposed to DVD's. Analog TV paints your screen in alternating lines from top to bottom, then goes back and fills in the lines it just skipped. Analog TV is thus interlaced and HDTV is non-interlaced. Analog TV has a slight flicker because of the two-pass painting - half of what you are looking at is from the prior frame! (if you will). If you look closely at an interlaced screen you can see the lines - on a non-interlaced screen you can't see them.

2) A special tuner is required to "read" the new signal. An HDTV-ready TV can accept the non-interlaced signal, but it doesn't have the tuner. AN HDTV TV has the tuner and is more expensive. You can purchase a line-doubler to "convert your interlaced output to a non-interlaced appearance, but that isn't really HDTV. You will purchase a new receiver to read the signals from cable or air, a new, non-interlaced TV to accept them, and a new combination DVD, CD, CD-RW MP3 Progressive-Scan player in the next few years. Don't argue - you'll do it. :>)

3) To make this all seem worthwhile, new movies, DVD re-releases (and eventually regular television) are presented on DVD in a 16:9 aspect ratio - Wide-Screen format. Your regular TV presents the picture in 4:3 aspect ratio. These numbers describe the relationship between width and height. Think of 4:3 as 12:9 and you can visualize the difference.

4) DVD's and HDTV broadcasts can be presented on your 4:3 TV as 16:9 pictures by putting black bars above and below the images. We know this as letterbox format on a few videotape movie restorations like the chariot scene in Ben Hur. Widescreen TV's fill the entire screen with the wider picture. They can also expand 4:3 pictures into 16:9 aspect ratio (but it looks ugly) and compromise with a ratio that clips part of the sides off and expands the rest. That is called Pan-and-Scan. The same thing in reverse can be done on a 4:3 TV. It looks ugly, too.

5) The newest DVD Players will output non-interlaced pictures, called progressive scan, if your receiver and/or TV monitor/tuner can accept them (but they probably can't). Better older DVD players (like 6 months ago technology) allow you to control the analog image on your TV monitor in the setup utilities, play all the audio formats if you want to hook them up to your stereo receiver and give a better picture on regular TV's for $150-$170. Progressive Scan DVD players with all the bells and whistles cost between $260 and $499 (and up).

I hope that answers some of your questions. www.Crutchfield.com is a good resource for various manufacturers, options and price ranges, but doesn't necessarily have the best prices. Sears often has great, short sales if you already know what you want (by reading Crutchfield), as does Target. You just have to watch and wait.

19 posted on 01/16/2002 9:58:22 PM PST by 1stMarylandRegiment
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