[Logophile]

But the reality, so eloquently pointed out by Benjamin Franklin, is that you cannot have both.

We cannot enjoy both security and liberty? No wonder anarchists have had such a hard time selling their ideas to their fellow Americans.

I believe that Franklin would have disagreed with you. He worked to form a nation that is both as secure as possible and free as possible.

[Doctor Doom]

I believe that Franklin would have disagreed with you.

Don't bet your wad on that.

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
- Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759.