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BATF: Coerced Consent in Pinedale, Wyoming (Direct Link to Article)
Pinedale Roundup; Pinedale, Wyoming ^ | January 10, 2002 | Jason Mundy & Rob Shaul,editor

Posted on 01/13/2002 8:58:10 AM PST by Old Badger

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To: John R. (Bob) Locke
The really sad part about this topic is the small number of people who have posted their outrage here on this thread

I don't comment on every outrage I read, especially when the better versed have expressed opinions similar to mine.

Yes, this troubles me, right in line with the ". . .then you won't mind if we search your car" that seems to come with so many traffic stops. We are being conditioned that a refusal to a consent to search is an admission of guilt.

61 posted on 01/14/2002 10:02:33 AM PST by Flyer
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To: Old Badger
The criminals with badges strike again.
The sad part is that they are supposedly doing all this in the name of "public safety".
From what I've seen, I have a lot less to worry about from criminals than I do from these leo's...
I can defend myself against a criminal, doing so against these clowns is a lot more costly (no matter how it turns out).

And they have the nerve to call themselves Americans...
62 posted on 01/14/2002 10:38:45 AM PST by freefly
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To: John R. (Bob) Locke
I think we are indeed in trouble. I've run across all too many FReepers who insist that anyone shot or harassed by FLEOs "had it coming".
63 posted on 01/14/2002 11:04:42 AM PST by alpowolf
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To: John R. (Bob) Locke
The really sad part about this topic is the small number of people who have posted their outrage here on this thread. If this doesn't seriously offend the sensibilities of a large number of FR posters, then we're in bigger trouble than I thought.
Not to worry, there's plenty of outrage. One poster here say's this should fall into the laps of Veterans to resolve. Being a Veteran, and quite tired of preaching to the choir only to be lambasted by someone calling themselves conservative, what exactly should us Veterans do about these situations? Can the rest of you stand the sight of that much blood? Because the streets will have to run red with it. This kind of crap will not be solved at the voting booth. It will be solved in our own front door foyers. As he shakes his head ruefully....Blackbird.
65 posted on 01/14/2002 11:21:28 AM PST by BlackbirdSST
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To: from occupied ga
I think we should just give the police the keys to our houses, for our safety.
66 posted on 01/14/2002 12:46:33 PM PST by Travis McGee
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To: BlackbirdSST
Go to HERE and read about Veterans for Constitutional Restoration. We mean to have our Constitution back as the Supreme Law of the Land. We mean to have government bound by the chains of the Constitution for once and all!
67 posted on 01/14/2002 1:06:26 PM PST by dcwusmc
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To: John R. (Bob) Locke
The really sad part about this topic is the small number of people who have posted their outrage here on this thread. If this doesn't seriously offend the sensibilities of a large number of FR posters, then we're in bigger trouble than I thought.

Outrage BTTT! Outraged, but no longer surprised..;( Guess I'm waiting for the revolution.

Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable. - John Kennedy

68 posted on 01/14/2002 1:37:38 PM PST by Sequitur
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To: dcwusmc
Bookmarked for what appears at first glance to be interesting. If what you state is true, then you'll find me hard to keep up with. Thanks much. Blackbird.
69 posted on 01/14/2002 1:43:29 PM PST by BlackbirdSST
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To: Thornwell Simons
"ATF is a bunch of incompetent rejects from all the other, good agencies..."

Can you name one of those 'good' agencies? - All I can think of are Thugs, like FBI, CIA, and park police.

70 posted on 01/14/2002 1:43:41 PM PST by editor-surveyor
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To: Sequitur
Those who make peaceful revolution impossible
will make violent revolution inevitable.
- John Kennedy
# 68 by Sequitur

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Teddy fell pretty far from the tree, didn't he?

71 posted on 01/14/2002 2:27:48 PM PST by exodus
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To: John R. (Bob) Locke
bump
72 posted on 01/14/2002 2:53:10 PM PST by Old Badger
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To: Old Badger
Thanks for your persistence, Badger. This is an article that needed posting. If those stumblebum jerkoffs at BATF don't get reined in soon, they're going to start a civil war.
73 posted on 01/14/2002 3:14:46 PM PST by Twodees
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To: dcwusmc
Scoped the whole site, a very noble cause. I guess if anyones going to get it done it'll be us. Daunting indeed. I tried to investigate the "Join" process and got no further. If you alert ( I believe the term is Freepmail?) me when membership is open, I'll check back. Blackbird.
74 posted on 01/14/2002 3:18:05 PM PST by BlackbirdSST
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To: exodus
Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable. - John Kennedy # 68 by Sequitur ************************

Teddy fell pretty far from the tree, didn't he?

71 posted on 1/14/02 3:27 PM Pacific by exodus

Yeah, well. He knows now he's obligated to implement the new communist manifesto, elst he find himself conviently in "someone's" cross-hairs. I just wonder who's giving the orders, cause apparently it's being held to the heads of our entite political structure. After all, it is THEY who should be ultimately place a cease and desist on these rogue alphabet agengies. Legistlative, exective, judicial. They're all selling us out. (sic)

75 posted on 01/14/2002 3:24:47 PM PST by Sequitur
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To: Old Badger;exodus
bump for liberty; thanks for the post & the ping
76 posted on 01/14/2002 6:49:32 PM PST by Pistias
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To: Travis McGee
I think we should just give the police the keys to our houses, for our safety.

This would just unnecessarily complicate things. After all, they can just break down your door now with (legal) impunity. Why give them something complex like keys when it wouldn't be nearly as satisfying for them?

77 posted on 01/15/2002 2:37:35 AM PST by from occupied ga
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To: Old Badger; Travis McGee; Squantos; Poohbah
What they found were a couple of shotguns, two semi-automatic assault rifles ( a replica of an AK-47 and an M-16) a 9mm Berreta pistol, a .50 caliber single-shot, long-range rifle and a few other standard field rifles. All the guns found were legal. However, the .50 caliber did raise some eyebrows with ATF agents, said Mr. Storer.

"I've shot rounds through a car hood from a mile away with this gun," said Mr. Storer, as he displayed the rifle. The length of the gun is about 3 feet long, painted camouflage and looks menacing. Mr. Storer said there is a movement by the US government to classify the gun as a destructive weapon, which could make it illegal to purchase, even as a parts kit.

A .50 cal single shot 'raises eyebrows' now?

Bullsh**. Sounds like I should get heavily involved in the .50 cal shooting community while I still can.

And the destructive power of a firearm is now measured in being able to penetrate a car hood at a mile?

Looks like all those hunting rifles are VERBOTEN to zee government. Zere is no LEGITIMATE ZPORTING PURPOZE to zuch a rifle, State Subject #78199288309.

78 posted on 01/15/2002 11:08:00 AM PST by Lazamataz
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To: editor-surveyor
"ATF is a bunch of incompetent rejects from all the other, good agencies..."

Can you name one of those 'good' agencies? - All I can think of are Thugs, like FBI, CIA, and park police.

I had an uncle whose high school trades courses were in printshop, back in the days when that meant printing presses and ink on your hands, not just a computer editing program. Later, he paid his own way through college with the GI Bill and after-school work at a job printers, it was a trade he enjoyed as much as some folks do their hobbies. Accordingly, he was a natural to work with the Secret Service on investigations of counterfeit printing operations, particularly counterfeit money. He had little interest in the USSS executive protection role, though was frequently *borrowed* for such assignments, as he was both an excellent shot and one of those large, tall fellas just right for performing duties as a human shield for those he was assigned to protect. But his heart was really in the other side of his agency's work.

When I went off to the Army in the mid-1960s, we spent most of a week together on a fishing trip, and he told me a few stories that made clear his very real pride he felt in his agency and those he worked with [though his opinion of Mr. Hoover's feebies was not favourable.] He made me the suggestion that after my four years with the military, if not inclined toward a military career, I might follow the course he'd taken, if not to the same agency, since my interests were different from his. So I asked him which ones he might have chosen, had he not gone the route he did.

He said there were only two that met his standards. One was the Postal Inspection Service, now another federal joke, but then one of the real success stories within the federal system. The other was the Border Patrol, again, now a slight shadow of what it once was, but in his time, those who wore that badge were often the only thing representing the law of the United States for a hundred miles of where they stood. It was different in his day, and I'm glad he didn't live to see the disrepute the agencies he tried so hard to be worthy of become something he would have despised.

He was at my dad's funeral when my old man's best friend, the local sheriff, told me I had a job waiting with his department when I got out of the Army. I believe my uncle Denny was prouder of me that day than he ever was of his own two sons, who did not follow his life's path.

I hold cops, federal and otherwise, to the same standards that I learned from him. There are not many who can stand up to that comparison, but those who do deserve the respect and admiration they've earned the hard way.

-archy-/-

79 posted on 01/15/2002 11:13:02 AM PST by archy
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To: John R. (Bob) Locke
I wonder if it's a lack of outrage, or just battle fatigue.

These "incidents" seem to happen on a daily basis. At this point it's almost not worth discussing so much as just keeping handy a weapon that will penetrate government issue body armor.

80 posted on 01/15/2002 11:26:52 AM PST by Doctor Doom
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