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Any telescope afficionados out there?
1/12/02 | me

Posted on 01/12/2002 11:54:26 AM PST by AngrySpud

I have The Fever, aperature fever, that is. After ten years using a 4" refractor, I want a deep-sky scope. Problem is, I don't have a deep pocket. The Solution seems to be getting a Dobsonian-type telescope. I've found four suppliers of medium-aperature Dobs: Obsession, BlackKnight, StarMaster, and StarSplitter. Does anyone have first-hand experience with these companies? I'm leaning towards Obsession. Are there other manufacturers out there I should consider?


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I'm budgeting for a 15" light bucket. I've considered building one, but don't have the confidence to do it right. In any case, it doesn't seem that one can save much money by doing it at home (quality mass-production and economy-of-scale seem to keep the price of commercially-made Dobs reasonable). Does anyone remember the name of the FReeper who used to post astronomy pics?
1 posted on 01/12/2002 11:54:26 AM PST by AngrySpud
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To: AngrySpud
Yes, and I currently have a Go-to computerized Meade Instruments LX-200 10" Schmidt Cassigrain Catadioptric. I love this thing. I am currently getting into astro photography using film imaging with an Olympus OM-1.

As soon as I can afford it, I am going to purchase a CCD camera to do digital imaging through my computer. Going to be setting it up tonight. Soon, when I get the time and money I will build my own backyard observatory to avoid all the set up and polar alignment.

Astronomy and space are the final frontier...

2 posted on 01/12/2002 12:03:18 PM PST by Joe Hadenuf
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To: Callisto, Cabbie
Paging, paging ...
3 posted on 01/12/2002 12:05:46 PM PST by AngrySpud
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To: AngrySpud
I have a 10" f5 Newtonian.

On a whim, I found that a local Cosco was blowing out the Meade LX 60's for around a hundred dollars. The 6800 based microprocesser runs a neat utility that makes it GOTO any of thousands of stars and objects. Performance is quite decent. Despite having the fast 10", the one I use all the time is the little Meade GOTO!

The reason I mention it is that if you look at my 10" at http://www.gearloose.com/scope.html you will not see the wheels I had to put on the 10" to be able to use it.

The best scope to get is the one you will actually USE!

Dobsonians are cheap and easy to build but highly frustrating if more than one person is there..."LOOK FAST BEFORE IT MOVES OFF THE FIELD!"

They are useless for astrophotography as well.

My neice has an 8" Meade Schmidt-Cassegrain. Easy to use, compact, and with a digital camera can deliver surprising photos, even of Messier objects.

Lurk in the newsgroup sci.astro.amateur for the best group of helpful people and the best advice on what to get. There are as many diverse opinions on the "Best" scope as there are on cars and guns!

4 posted on 01/12/2002 12:08:30 PM PST by Gorzaloon
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Since you're into astrophotography, I can see why you'd want something that tracks. Where do you live that would make it possible to build a backyard dome? DarkSky, Wyoming? I'm in rural northern Arizona, where everybody wants the night skies kept protected against light pollution. My wife has suggested that I build one in our backyard, too. But there are too many projects, too many priorities. Which is more important -- an observatory, or new carpet in the house?
5 posted on 01/12/2002 12:11:44 PM PST by AngrySpud
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To: AngrySpud; RadioAstronomer
>I'm budgeting for a 15" light bucket. < Holy light-bucket, batman! They only thing I can suggest (and you've probably already done it) is to check Sky & Telescope for reviews on such products. Lastly, talk to someone who has used a scope that big before; one of the lessons I've learned about amateur astronomy is that it doesn't matter how big your scope is if it just sitts in the closet all the time. If setting up/breaking down and transporting a 15" scope is a pain, it is unlikely to ever get used..... unless you are a fanatic, which, since you're contemplating a 15" scope, you probably are.

Best of luck. Personally, I'd find the 4" refractor a great deal more user friendly.... but that's a personal opinion.

6 posted on 01/12/2002 12:12:21 PM PST by longshadow
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Personally, I'd like some suggestions on what a good starter scope would be. Took my daughter to the Roane State Observatory for the meteor shower back in November, and we had a great time. I'm going to be working with the Professor who runs the observatory (getting their scope software to work properly - actually - getting them to understand the software), but I'd like to have a scope of my own. Any suggestions?
7 posted on 01/12/2002 12:12:55 PM PST by Tennessee_Bob
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To: Gorzaloon
The best scope to get is the one you will actually USE!

Thats right. And thats why I am starting to plan my backyard observatory. Setting up the LX-200 is not bad, its just getting it out there, and then bringing it back in. A small observatory is the ticket. I plan on a roll off roof or a square building about 10X10' with a dome. Thinking about building the dome myself. Gulp!

8 posted on 01/12/2002 12:14:51 PM PST by Joe Hadenuf
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"Personally, I'd like some suggestions on what a good starter scope would be."

Hands down, no contest, the little Meade LX 60 GOTO for price/performance.

The software can even give you a "Guided tour".

Too many department store telescopes sit unused in closets because people buy them, horrible as they are, then look through them a few times, see nothing "But dandruff", and put them away.

For a hundred bucks, if someone loses interest, it is no big deal. But with a GOTO, it is doubtful anyone would lose interest, since it is the best thing short of kidnapping an astronomer...It even gives little facts about the various stars, etc.

9 posted on 01/12/2002 12:18:15 PM PST by Gorzaloon
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Thanks for the newsgroup link; I'm always suspicious of the glowing "testimonals" that companies include with their brochures.

I have a convenient backyard layout that would allow me to easily wheel any big scope from the house to an unused b-ball court. The skies are DARK in this town; if I had the energy, I could have hi-quality viewing 200+ nights (remember, this is Arizona) a year, and not have to drive miles into the countryside for a decent viewing location.

10 posted on 01/12/2002 12:19:18 PM PST by AngrySpud
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To: AngrySpud
Unfortunately I am in Southern California. But my area is pretty dark and isolated from alot of the light pollution.

But fortunately, we have a mountain hideout at about the 7000 foot level in the local mountains. Going up there is an absolute treat. The skies up there are like being in a spacecraft. Clear, dry and dark skies.....

Forget the carpet, build the observatory.

And I have read about Arizona protecting its night skies against light pollution. It is starting to catch on everywhere. Even at our local mountains here in So Cal they have already pass lighting laws, so the dark skies are not washed out.

12 posted on 01/12/2002 12:22:12 PM PST by Joe Hadenuf
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To: Tennessee_Bob
Check out Orion.com for their 4" Dobs ... $199 and very good light-gathering optics. Simple and rugged. As you shop around, don't take a second-glance at any scope that puts the emphasis on power (magnification). The key is the size of the primary mirror -- the bigger it is, the more light it will gather, and the more you can see.
13 posted on 01/12/2002 12:22:54 PM PST by AngrySpud
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To: AngrySpud
"Any telescope afficionados out there?"

Why..............ahem..............yes, since you've asked.

Now, it's common knowledge among yer basic stargazer that a telescope is a device that is specifically designed to allow the user to see things that are usually rather far away and..........follow me here..........make them appear really close, aka "larger". This is accomplished by internal mechanisms and objects of a technical nature (like glass, some metal; things of that sort) inserted into long tubes. At one end is the portion that the user afixes his/her eye to in order to view the aforementioned "far away" or "distant" objects (like stars, planets, the occasional comet, common sense in a Democrat) and the other end is a piece of glass that, with the assistance of the internal mechanisms, um........."sees" stuff.

Now, the real key is to ensure that you look into the little end, but a recommendation to ensure use in "darkness" seems to be well-received, as well.

Hope that helps. More, if you need it..........anytime.

14 posted on 01/12/2002 12:24:00 PM PST by RightOnline
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To: longshadow
I love my refractor, and have spent many hours lovingly caressing the planets ... but it's just not enough anymore. I'll keep it, though.
15 posted on 01/12/2002 12:25:32 PM PST by AngrySpud
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To: AngrySpud
Bookmark bump...
17 posted on 01/12/2002 12:28:15 PM PST by Cachelot
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To: Joe Hadenuf
I plan on a roll off roof or a square building about 10X10' with a dome. Thinking about building the dome myself. Gulp!

Good for you! A LOT of people in the local club have done so and have done terrific work!

You MUST see the observatories these people have built! http://www.ultranet.com/~assne/

That will convince you to do it!

18 posted on 01/12/2002 12:29:06 PM PST by Gorzaloon
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To: RightOnline
" ... see ... common sense in a Democrat."

True enough, but would using a lens filter help? Perhaps a RED filter?

20 posted on 01/12/2002 12:31:37 PM PST by AngrySpud
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