[truthandlife]

I am a big time Bush supporter and I pray for him but why did he sign this bill with this garbage in it? We are defending our nation against foreign attacks but we are killing innocent defenseless, voiceless babies' lives here and around the world.

[Always Right]

truthandlife.....Do you care that the article that you posted is just an outright lie?

[Texbob]

Bush signing this bill is no more of a change than the fact he used a recess appointment to appoint Clinton's ATF head John Magaw to transportation Security head. He did not have to use a recess appointment on this one, the Liberal democrats would have paid Bush to appoint him. Bush used the recess appointment to make it look like he was being tough, when in fact he was just his usual self, LIBERAL like he was when he signed this bill to Pay forigners to kill their babies.

[toenail]

Ping to this thread regarding our recent exchanges.

[Solomon Grundy]

"Meet the new boss...same as the old boss.."

[biblewonk]

This may not be what it seems. It may have as much to do with aids prevention as anything else. I don't believe that Bush would do anything overtly pro-death but I believe that his enemies will say and do anything to reduce his popularity.

[Bob J]

We don't control the Senate. If you want all the things on your wish list you should concentrate on giving conservatives veto proof majorities in both houses along with the WH.

[Jesse]

I am a big time Bush supporter and I pray for him but why did he sign this bill with this garbage in it?

Bush has been signing all sorts of bills full of garbage...welfare for non citizen aliens, nationalization of education, airport security screening, adopting the anti-privacy Medical privacy rules of Clinton, Adopting the arsenic standards, MFN for China...it's hard to remember all the sellouts. etc. etc.

I don't know why everyone is such an uncritical supporter of what is turning out to be a democrat in drag, except that he isn't Bill Clinton. What is it going to take before the right stops seeing him through their rose colored glasses and holding his feet to the fire before he gives away the entire store?

[newgeezer]

Read the bill yourself, and then tell me this covenantnews report is anything but a lie. My first clue was that their own link resolves to a totally unrelated story about the defense spending bill.

[RnMomof7]

The abortion-family planning funds approved by Bush represents an increase of $21.5 million over last year for international family planning. Also on Thursday, Bush signed the labor, education and health spending bill, and a defense spending bill that was widely reported by The Associated Press (Bush Signs Defense Spending Bill).

Well lets see, we have the murderous China now in the WTO,open truck borders with Mexico..so more "illegal" can pour in, we are killing babies all around the world, the commission on the arts still lives, immigrants will get food stamps again and OHH yea the constitution is "temporarily on hold" all with the permission of the compassionate conservative ......

Sorry scripture warns of wolves in sheep's clothing ...

He will ignore the social conservatives until he needs our vote again..the the freeple sheeple will all say AMEN one more time

Just spend your money and keep repeating "Islam is peace"

[Straight Vermonter]

Text from the actual bill:

Provided further, That none of the funds made available in this Act nor any unobligated balances from prior appropriations may be made available to any organization or program which, as determined by the President of the United States, supports or participates in the management of a program of coercive abortion or involuntary sterilization: Provided further, That none of the funds made available under this heading may be used to pay for the performance of abortion as a method of family planning

snip

Provided further, That nothing in this paragraph shall be construed to alter any existing statutory prohibitions against abortion under section 104 of the Foreign Assistance Act of 1961.

snip

That none of the funds appropriated under this heading shall be used to pay for abortions

snip

(c) Conditions on Availability of Funds.--Amounts made available under ``International Organizations and Programs'' for fiscal year 2002 for the UNFPA may not be made available to UNFPA unless-- (1) the UNFPA maintains amounts made available to the UNFPA under this section in an account separate from other accounts of the UNFPA; (2) the UNFPA does not commingle amounts made available to the UNFPA under this section with other sums; and (3) the UNFPA does not fund abortions.

This might make some feel better.

[seattlesue]

Does anyone know if this is accurate reporting? Does this bill actually provide funding internationally for abortion clinics?

[americaprd]

Okay, I know I'm going to rile alot of the moral conservatives, but I want to throw this out for discussion.

In his new Book, Death of the West, Buchanan notes that the West will soon be far outnumbered by other nationalities. Isn't the only way to continue to maintain control over our own system of government and maintain democratic governments among our firends and allies to encourage abortion among some of these third world nations?

I think this is an issue that is extremely troubling from a moral standpoint. Yes, abortion is wrong. But at the cost of our country?

[Huck]

I think this is the bill, H.R.2506. In it, I found this:

SEC. 518. None of the funds made available to carry out part I of the Foreign Assistance Act of 1961, as amended, may be used to pay for the performance of abortions as a method of family planning or to motivate or coerce any person to practice abortions. None of the funds made available to carry out part I of the Foreign Assistance Act of 1961, as amended, may be used to pay for the performance of involuntary sterilization as a method of family planning or to coerce or provide any financial incentive to any person to undergo sterilizations. None of the funds made available to carry out part I of the Foreign Assistance Act of 1961, as amended, may be used to pay for any biomedical research which relates in whole or in part, to methods of, or the performance of, abortions or involuntary sterilization as a means of family planning. None of the funds made available to carry out part I of the Foreign Assistance Act of 1961, as amended, may be obligated or expended for any country or organization if the President certifies that the use of these funds by any such country or organization would violate any of the above provisions related to abortions and involuntary sterilizations.

Does anyone check the sources, or just jump to conclusions? I am still not sure what exactly is true and what isn't, but I would think folks would look up the bill and try to find out.

[nmh]

" The bill authorizes $446.5 million U.S. tax dollars to be given to other countries for abortion-family planning activities throughout the world. The abortion-family planning funds approved by Bush represents an increase of $21.5 million over last year for international family planning. "

Yeah, sure, Bush is Pro Life ... Funny how his ACTIONS scream otherwise. Ole Bush really out did himself this time. The LARGEST amount of money EVER given to abortion activities throughout the WORLD.

It matters not to me since I will NOT be voting for Bush again no matter what he promises or says SINCE his words don't mean anything. Again, this is the latest proof.

[sixmil]

Why don't we just cut to the chase and sign up the entire world for US welfare checks right now. While we're at it, let's get them some food stamps, voter registration, social security, college loans, and drivers licences too.

[ncdave4life]

The article is inaccurate. This is an email that I have sent to the author:

Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 15:46:07  
Subject: False news story: "Bush Okays Abortion Spending"  

re: http://www.covenantnews.com/
and http://www.covenantnews.com/murder.htm


Dear Mr. Rudd,  

Your lead story today is wrong. It is entitled:  

Bush Okays Abortion Spending  

And it says:  

By Jim Rudd / The Covenant News  

On Thursday, January 10, 2002, the White House reported  
President Bush signed the ominous $15.4 billion foreign  
appropriations bill, H.R. 2506, for fiscal-year 2002. The  
bill authorizes $446.5 million U.S. tax dollars to be  
given to other countries for abortion-family planning  
activities throughout the world. The abortion-family  
planning funds approved by Bush represents an increase  
of $21.5 million over last year. ...  

But that is incorrect. Under the Mexico City policy which  
President Bush reinstated a year ago, the money MAY NOT be used  
for abortion or abortion advocacy. Also, because money is  
fungible, it MAY NOT be given to organizations (like Planned  
Parenthood) which perform abortions or do abortion advocacy,  
even for purposes unrelated to abortion. See:  

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,96275,00.html
http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3a6dd58201e0.htm
http://www.abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNews/bush_abortion010326.html

The original House version of this bill retained the pro-life Mexico  
City policy. However, the Senate version of this bill contained  
language that would have repealled the Mexico City restrictions on  
abortion funding.  

Fortunately, the White House promised that President Bush would  
veto a foreign aid bill that repealled the Mexico City restrictions  
on abortion; see the last sentence here:  
http://www.unausa.org/dc/info/dc102901.htm
and the last sentence of the 3rd-to-last paragraph here:  
http://actionnetwork.org/campaign/2001foreignops/explanation

This pressure swayed the conference committee into adopting the  
House (pro-life) language; see:  
http://www.planetwire.org/details/2117

However, to get the President's "Mexico City" abortion restrictions  
included, House conference committee negotiators had to agree to  
an increase in total funding demanded by Senate Democrats.  

The main problematic feature of this foreign aid bill, from a  
pro-life perspective, is the money which it provides to UNFPA,  
the UN Population Fund, which I think was increased to a total of  
$37.5 million. The UNFPA claims that it does not promote abortion  
(see http://www.unfpa.org/about/faq.htm#abortion )  
but there is evidence that their claim is not honest  
(see http://www.family.org/cforum/fnif/news/a0018238.html ).  
Plus, the UNFPA promotes so-called "birth control" methods such as  
IUDs and "emergency contraception" that kill unborn human embryos,  
though they are not conventionally called "abortions."  

Unfortunately, the votes are not there in Congress for ending  
UNFPA funding.  

Neverthless, the bill Bush signed does not fund abortion, and  
Bush has "gone to the mat" (with a veto threat) to make the bill  
as pro-life as possible. It is a false and terrible smear of  
President Bush to claim that he "okayed abortion spending."  

Christian news organizations have a special burden to follow  
the 9th Commandment: "Thou shalt not bear false witness against  
thy neighbor."  

Please post a correction on your web site.  

I look forward to your reply.  

In Christ,  

-Dave Burton  

[Twodees]

This is another example of the need for a line-item veto amendment. Of course, a man with the courage of his convictions would simply veto it and tell Congress why he was vetoing it.

[bigunreal]

The Stupid Party rolls on. How much proof do party loyalists need before they realize there is only one party, and that it is firmly committed to the same obscene goals as Bill Clinton and company?

[Pay now bill Clinton]

I don't recall any outrage on your part as we killed defenseless, voiceless babies when we began bombing Afghanistan. The hypocrisy of so-called "conservatives" is what allows this sort of thing to take place.

[RightOnline]

What an incredibly shi**y little thread. I thought I had pretty much seen it all here on FR, but to see so many folks foaming at the mouth, hell-bent on attacking the Prez in the most vile ways is beyond the pale.

I want to hear one of you geniuses tell me who your idea of a f**king "savior" would have been, since Bush is now dubbed Satan, Jr.

This makes me want to puke.