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Police Release Tape OF Hijacker's Traffic Stop Two Days Before Attack
Associated Press | 1/8/02 | AP

Posted on 01/08/2002 11:26:17 AM PST by Joe Hadenuf

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To: phasma proeliator
No, the officer had no reason nor right to do that. Now, Mr. "Joe Hadenuf" would you please either be realistic, or crawl back in your hole

Well now, it looks like maybe the officer did have, or possibly *should have* had reason to detain this individual!

Source: Hijacker Detained December 13, 2001 By JOHN CREWDSON, Special To The Courant DUBAI, United Arab Emirates -- More than seven months before the Sept. 11 hijackings, authorities in the United Arab Emirates detained and questioned one of the key hijackers at the request of the U.S. government before allowing him to continue his journey from Afghanistan to Florida, according to a United Arab Emirates official.

The source, who spoke on condition that neither he nor his agency be identified, said Ziad Samir Jarrah, who the FBI believes piloted the United Airlines 757 that crashed in rural Pennsylvania, arrived at the Dubai International Airport from Pakistan on Jan. 30 of this year.

Jarrah, who with Mohamed Atta and Marwan Al-Shehhi is considered one of the hijacking plot's three main instigators, was detained, the source said, because his name previously had been placed on an Emerati "watch list" of terrorist suspects at the request of the United States.

"The Americans told us that he was a supporter of terrorist organizations, that he had connections with terrorist organizations," the source said. "His name was given to us as someone to check. The U.S. said he should be questioned."

During questioning by Emeratis, Jarrah, 26, divulged that he had spent the previous "two months and five days" in Pakistan and Afghanistan - the only known acknowledgment of an Afghan visit by any of the hijackers - and that he was returning to Florida, where he had been living and taking flying lessons for more than six months.

"He had a visa to the U.S., so he was allowed to proceed," the source said. The following day, Jan. 31, Jarrah boarded a KLM flight for Amsterdam, where he changed planes for Hamburg. "Where he went from there, we don't know," the source said.

Asked which U.S. agency had requested that Jarrah's name be placed on the Emerati watch list as a terrorist suspect and which agency asked that he be detained and questioned, Katherine Van de Vate, a spokeswoman for the American Embassy in Abu Dhabi, the capital of the United Arab Emirates, responded with what she called "a carefully considered no comment."

After Sept. 11, some American Embassy officials were told by people in the United Arab Emirates government that Jarrah had been detained at the airport, according to Western diplomatic sources.

The Federal Bureau of Investigation does not maintain an office in the U.S. Embassy in Abu Dhabi, and a federal law-enforcement official in Washington said the FBI had never been made aware before Sept. 11 that another U.S. agency believed Jarrah was linked to terrorist organizations or that he had visited Afghanistan, then the base of the al Qaeda terrorist organization that U.S. investigators say organized and financed the hijackings.

"It's news to us," the official said, "with regard to this individual being on any watch list whatsoever."

The only hijackers to have come to the FBI's attention before Sept. 11, according to a well-placed source, were Khalid Almihdhar and Nawaf Alhazmi, whom the Central Intelligence Agency learned had met in Malaysia with two al Qaeda operatives later involved in the suicide bombing of the destroyer USS Cole in Yemen.

The FBI began looking for Almihdhar and Alhazmi less than three weeks before the hijackings. It never found them, but the source emphasized that the bureau had been given only hotel addresses in New York and Los Angeles as leads, and had no clue the two men were participants in a suicide hijacking plot or any other terrorist activity. Almihdhar and Alhazmi helped hijack American Flight 77, which hit the Pentagon, killing 189 people.

Even if they had been found, Almihdhar and Alhazmi might never have led the FBI to the principal Sept. 11 plotters because they spent most of their 21-month U.S. residence in and around San Diego, far from Florida.

John Crewdson is a Chicago Tribune reporter.

41 posted on 01/08/2002 3:08:40 PM PST by Joe Hadenuf
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To: RnMomof7
It's easier to break a pancake and sauage habit.

I'm not sure if that's 8>) or not.

42 posted on 01/08/2002 3:08:47 PM PST by Celtjew Libertarian
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To: Celtjew Libertarian
It's easier to break a pancake and sauage habit.
I'm not sure if that's 8>) or not
.

Definitely Irish wit ...LOL

43 posted on 01/08/2002 3:13:26 PM PST by RnMomof7
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To: Lucas1
Please see #41
44 posted on 01/08/2002 3:35:29 PM PST by Joe Hadenuf
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To: Joe Hadenuf
a federal law-enforcement official in Washington said the FBI had never been made aware before Sept. 11 that another U.S. agency believed Jarrah was linked to terrorist organizations or that he had visited Afghanistan, then the base of the al Qaeda terrorist organization that U.S. investigators say organized and financed the hijackings. "It's news to us," the official said, "with regard to this individual being on any watch list whatsoever."

I just saw it reported an hour ago on the Evening News (either ABC or NBC) that there was nothing that would have indicated that Jarrah should be detained by the police officer.

45 posted on 01/08/2002 3:35:39 PM PST by Amore
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To: Amore
"It's news to us," the official said,

And you believe this right?

See #41

just saw it reported an hour ago on the Evening News (either ABC or NBC)that there was nothing that would have indicated that Jarrah should be detained by the police officer.

Do you think the FBI or any other LEA would admit to such a damning mistake?

I suggest that you believe very little of anything you see on ABC or NBC or anything on TV for that matter.

46 posted on 01/08/2002 3:41:16 PM PST by Joe Hadenuf
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To: Joe Hadenuf
Oh, sorry, I wasn't clear, you misunderstood me. I was trying to support you. And point out that the idiot networks were reporting erroneous information. I thought the article you posted was fascinating and wonder if what it says will be disseminated by the American media. I'm guessing not.
47 posted on 01/08/2002 3:44:41 PM PST by Amore
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To: Amore
Woops. No problem.

Its funny, the only time I turn on the TV anymore is when there is some earth shattering live video to watch. Otherwise, I am down to about 1 hour a week of tv time. Its all to controlled.

48 posted on 01/08/2002 4:01:16 PM PST by Joe Hadenuf
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To: Joe Hadenuf
Listen, you've obviously had no law enforcement experience, nor studied any current case law concerning "Terry stops" or those classified as misdemeanors. Unless the troopers computer stated, "Stop, Hold or Detain" either by warrant or probable cause, the trooper can only issue the citation and let the subject drive away. Wanting it different doesn't make it so. Your musings about anyone of foreign looking being subjected to 72 hours of interrogation is stunningly simple-minded, stud.
49 posted on 01/08/2002 4:26:57 PM PST by TheBlueMax
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To: TheBlueMax
Listen, you've obviously had no law enforcement experience, nor studied any current case law concerning "Terry stops"

Terry stops? Boy, thats a new one with me! LOL! Let me guess, street cop slang for terrorist stop? LOL! Kinda like a ten-29FD?

Please before you start telling all about your experience in these matters, please read my post#41 and note that I stated: "Well now, it looks like maybe the officer did have, or possibly *should have* had reason to detain this individual!

You see, this is just code-4 pardner, and I suggest you go code-7 :o

50 posted on 01/08/2002 5:00:36 PM PST by Joe Hadenuf
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To: Joe Hadenuf
Most of the time I would have laughed at your comments, however you show your true colors in your response. If you cannot debate a subject intelligently, then mock the persons statement. Yup, stud, your a class act.
51 posted on 01/08/2002 5:10:09 PM PST by TheBlueMax
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To: TheBlueMax
Listen, you've obviously had no law enforcement experience

Woah, Your the one that made the above statement about Terry stops, :0 Do you have any idea what a 10-29FD is? Or are you the one with no law enforcement experience. If you can dish it out, you should be able to take it buddy.

Did you read #41? What did I say? Read it slowly please. Don't be so dang defensive.

52 posted on 01/08/2002 5:43:55 PM PST by Joe Hadenuf
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To: TheBlueMax
Well now, it looks like maybe the officer did have, or possibly *should have* had reason to detain this individual!

Do you see those words I wrote that say "Or possibly should have"?

Jezzz.

53 posted on 01/08/2002 5:47:45 PM PST by Joe Hadenuf
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To: Joe Hadenuf
the only thing the troopers are interested in is laying fines on drivers locking them up doesnt puts no money in state coffers that run by a money grubbing demo govenor If you comit a crime in MD. you will get a fine faster then jail time
54 posted on 01/08/2002 6:24:34 PM PST by oiljake
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To: RnMomof7
In our construction company , we are ALWAYS trying to hire ANY minority who will even fill out an applcation. AF-AM Muslims are more likely to do so, and we have had several acceptable employees. I have been exhausted trying to encouage them to participate in our 401K system, which they moraly reject because of "usery". But they look forward ( and seek) layoff and drawing unemployment.
55 posted on 01/08/2002 6:45:30 PM PST by nkycincinnatikid
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To: oiljake
My point seems to have escaped some here. My focus and point is that our open border madness and our immigration "free for all" that contributed to this insanity.

Some here can debate the traffic stop until they are blue in the face. As there now appears (Read #41) to be some question that our government may have knew who this guy was and it possibly failed to filter down to this officers MDT .

Oh, and I agree with you, most all moving violations are all about revenue. Lots of money there.

56 posted on 01/08/2002 7:00:17 PM PST by Joe Hadenuf
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To: phasma proeliator
To: Joe Hadenuf

wow... you're in your own world sir...

I'll let you wallow in peace, it's obnoxiously obvious that you don't give a damn.
Very well put!

57 posted on 01/08/2002 8:44:01 PM PST by Valin
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To: Valin
Thank you.
58 posted on 01/09/2002 5:10:15 AM PST by phasma proeliator
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To: Lucas1
Baltimore Mayor Martin O'Malley has said local law enforcement officials should have been told by the FBI that Jarrah was on a CIA watch list.

Okay, so not "wanted" but definitely known to be trouble. What good is a "watch list" if no one is watching?

59 posted on 01/09/2002 7:17:35 AM PST by DaveyLittle
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To: Valin
Oh come on Valin. Your just upset because your freezing half to death in Minnesota. Cheer up and look on the bright side, as you probably only have two or three months of this freezing weather left.

Next time could at least comment on the article at the top of the thread. Turn your heater up, you will feel better. LOL!

60 posted on 01/09/2002 7:23:59 AM PST by Joe Hadenuf
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