Michael Rivero’s Subterfuge

1-5-02 | Republican_Strategist

[Republican_Strategist]

Michael Rivero Anti-American Propaganda Exposed



From ABC News web site: Picture from bin Laden tape.



Michael Rivero claims the bin Laden tape is a "government lie" - he posted this as the picture from the bin laden tape.



As you can see in the first picture is from the bin Laden tape and shows him. The second picture was a manipulation by Michael Rivero in order to further his propaganda.

[sinkspur]

But someone else pointed out that his use of syntax and vocabulary in the Kursk material (his absolute worst propaganda faux pas)

Actually, his worst propaganda faux pas was his absolute insistence that JFK Jr.'s plane was brought down by a bomb under the wing.

No evidence, no proof, just Michael's contention that, based on one line from an article by an obscure New York friend of JFK Jr.'s wife, that JFK Jr. was an excellent pilot.

Professionals from airlines, with THOUSANDS of hours of experience, came on Free Republic over a two week period to show how a young, inexperienced pilot could become disoriented and lose control of a plane.

No matter. Michael would not be deterred, even when he had been reduced to an object of ridicule.

If you questioned him, you were automatically a "government shill."

Oh, and his famous retort was "Prove that a conspiracy DOESN'T exist!"

[Howlin]

Not only that, he continued to contend that JFK Jr. had contacted the tower at Martha's Vineyard, based on an erroneous article on a Boston web site that was based on ONE WORD uttered on the Boston TV station.

Even after the manager of the TV station emailed him and asked him to remove the name of the TV station as his "cite" from his web site because the article was not true, Rivero refused to remove it and contined to use that as one of his "facts."

He KNEW better; it just did not fit his conspiracy theory.

[Lancey Howard]

I bet most people who are posting to this ridiculous thread have not given Michael much thought for the past six months or so, except when they see his name pop up.... on a ridiculous thread like this one.

And now, some of your own posts to this thread are taking on a stammering quality. Have you noticed yet that you are the only one who actually cares about Rivero and this bin Laden tape thing? I think it may be time for you to look in the mirror. Seriously, give it a break.

[Harrison Bergeron]

Excellent points. Heh heh... I could be suffering from my own brand of weirdness by thinking of a loony conspiracy theorist as part of an even larger conspiracy. But damn, some of his stuff was definitely plagiarized from translated material. It wouldn't surprise me if he were aided and abetted (knowingly or unknowingly) by foreigners with real political agendas. Seems like that would be SOP in the agitprop and misinformation biz.

[GOPJ]

You've got the right one for #7. Thanks.

7. Sign up under multiple screen names and randomly polarize them at opposite extremes of the ConspiracyWacko-NutWing / Mindless-Tow-the-Party-Line continuum. Pit them against each other to create a disorganized, preoccupied and frenetic environment that distracts from FR's mission.

[Osinski]

Loved Michael Rivero if only for his ability to get under your skin. Do you see Republican Strategist spending all these hours to convince people MR is a conspiracy theorist? Everyone knows it. Whether they believe RS or MR remains up to each one.

BTW, thousands of pilots might come on to say how a young inexperienced pilot might get disoriented and crash his plane. Do you know for sure that's how it happened? (I didn't think so.)

What about the recent shoe bomb stuff...challenge your thinking any about say TWA 800 or even the Jamaica NY Airbus explosion? (I didn't think so.) Love, osinski

[GOPJ]

Sorry, I might not always agree with the people you mentioned, but they are always conservatives. I'm talking about the "oh so superior liberal types" who like to pretend they're conservatives. You know, the stuffed shirt phony types who got into a good school 'cause daddy had money.... The folks you mentioned add to the conservative debate, even when it's painful.

Ann Coulter, David Horowitz, and... to an extent... Alan Keyes

[VadeRetro]

Rivero's an interesting fruitcake. You're not even interesting.

You have presented no shred of proof that photo 3 was faked, much less that Rivero did so. Such has never been his style, which is to draw absurd inferences from the real evidence and ignore anything inconvenient.

[carenot]

He created the Clinton Body Count.

I thought that was Genifer Flowers, I'm not sure of the spelling, but she is one of Clinton's old girl friends.

Best I remember that is where Michael got it.

[sinkspur]

Do you know for sure that's how it happened? (I didn't think so.)

That's a Rivero question from someone who lapped up every word as if Michael were some sage.

He's a failed movie cameraman, who voted for Clinton twice, and knew just how to play Geppetto to your Pinocchio.

[snakebitevoter]

Who cares if Bush created a phony tape? We are at war and the goal is to win.

[Fury]

You have presented no shred of proof that photo 3 was faked, much less that Rivero did so. Such has never been his style, which is to draw absurd inferences from the real evidence and ignore anything inconvenient.

But it is MR's style to present information and then, when people with differing opinions provide informarion, or worse, present information with facts that contradicts what MR has espoused, MR and his merry band of cohorts start in with the "government shill", "government hugger", etc, etc. The pattern was very well established - subscribe to the conspiracy worldview of MR - or be labeled part of a conspiracy dedicated to supressing the "truth".

[Osinski]

He's a failed movie cameraman, who voted for Clinton twice

Maybe so. I liked Rivero because he presented a differing point of view than that of the sheeple on the left and the right.

And your credentials give you more credibility because? You are so locked into your little box of thinking that questioning your basic tenets is verbotten. You might find out the world doesn't conform to your opinion of it and then what are you gonna do? Think for yourself?

[BigWaveBetty]

All of you who have joined the mob on this thread in mindlessly attacking Michael Rivero disgust me.

But not enough to go away eh Arator? So kind of you to determine that thoughtful people who have given information to show MR is full of it are mindless. That of course leaves you as the all knowing one. How proud your mummy must be!
Bless your heart.

[Harrison Bergeron]

Of course, you're probably right. My lonely opinion of the afforementioned three is based mostly on their tendency to use - almost exclusively - the forums of the far left (Ivy League lecture circuit, Bill Maher's Politically Incorrect, etc.) while espousing views that come from the far right. It just doesn't sit right with me. I'd feel much more comfortable if I saw one of them invited to sit down at the Sunday Morning adult tables once in a while.

[sinkspur]

You might find out the world doesn't conform to your opinion of it and then what are you gonna do?

Your implication is that I'll find out that the world conforms to YOUR opinion of it.

Not a chance.

[carenot]

Hillary Clinton demands to be heard at a Freeper Rally.

I would pay to be there!

[Osinski]

Your implication is that I'll find out that the world conforms to YOUR opinion of it.

My implication that the world conforms to MY opinion? Hell no.

[ICU812]

The oddest thing about this thread is that you honestly think you've proved something. You posted two pictures and baldly asserted that Rivero manipulated one of them. Thats like a prosecutor showing a picture of a knife and a picture of a body and saying "This proves John Smith killed John Brown on October 2nd!"

The two pictures you posted look like the same guy to me, possibly two different frames from the same tape. You haven't even presented a prima facia case to back up your assertion.

In the spirit of fair play(and the belief that everyone ought to be able to defend themselves when accused) I hereby offer Rivero the chance to respond by emailing me at webmaster@memoryhole.com. I will post your reply to this thread as long as the content abides by the FR rules.

[JudyB1938]

"He is like Johnny Walker. Once an American and now a traitor."

Whoa! I've just started reading this thread, so I don't know yet if anybody has called you to account for this statement or not ... but I am!

How dare you! It's one thing to disagree with Michael, but to call him a TRAITOR is contemptible!

"Another one of Mikey’s battered victims. The first step to recovery is admitting you have a problem so come on and admit it."

You also go way over the line attacking Nita Nupress. You aren't fit to lick her shoes!

Boy! I just started this thread and already find out what a boob you are. If you think yourself a "strategist", I do believe you'd better go back to school and learn proper technique. You'd also do well to go back and examine the "evidence" you produce. That picture IS part of the series of pictures taken from the tape. I know for sure, because I myself examined those pictures when they first came out. Another thing, if you think "screaming" your way into a subject is effective, you need to think again. All that does is make it harder to read, and you lose the "strategy" you are TRYING for. Egads! What a boob!