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To: Nitro
The Captain of an airplane, the same as a ship at sea, has the final say-so.

I can not believe you still believe the Media Lies told yesterday. Seems the President should outrank any captain. The president ordered this man on to this flight to protect the President. This Captain had no right to refuse passage without even bothering to call a local number. In fact this Captain wouldn't even allow his suypervison to call and verify this agents identity.

None of the terroist managed to get a gun through security. This agent did so three times. Did this Captain check with the Agents supervisor. No. Did he make any attempt to verify the agents identy. No. Did he have this agent fill out an A. A. form three times because another AA employee crossed out the canceled filght number and put on the new flight number. This was verifiable but this captain nover bothered.

Worse of ass as Bill said he never reported the incident to authorities until he was called on the carpte. Furthermore this sam,e captain kept another legitimate officer off a flight.

Had this flight been hijacked. The agent would not have been able to prevent it. What good are Air Marshals if stupid Pilots will not even allow SS Agents on planes.

28 posted on 01/04/2002 10:00:16 PM PST by ImphClinton
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To: ImphClinton
Had this flight been hijacked. The agent would not have been able to prevent it. What good are Air Marshals if stupid Pilots will not even allow SS Agents on planes.

Well he would have been able to be on the flight, with his gun, had he bothered to SIGN a form that requires a signature. Small detail, one that you would certainly think a USSS agent would notice. The fact that he didn't notice would certainly bring his "stated profession" into question.

31 posted on 01/04/2002 10:05:13 PM PST by McGavin999
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To: ImphClinton
Recheck your facts. He trided to contact the SS to verify the agents identity. Like a thinking man though he didn't call the number the agent aupplied him.

"Ummmm...Yeah...call this number there is a guy there named Habib...Harry....yes Harry. He'll confirm that I am a Secret Agent."

He also relayed it to AA security and the AA security recommended he deny boarding to the agent.

33 posted on 01/04/2002 10:06:34 PM PST by Bogey78O
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To: ImphClinton
What good are Air Marshals if stupid Pilots will not even allow SS Agents on planes.

They may be worse than useless. Is that guy with a gun really a sky marshal? Or is he in cahoots with the hijackers?

Will the resulting confusion help or hinder the bad guys...

34 posted on 01/04/2002 10:08:42 PM PST by null and void
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To: ImphClinton
Had this flight been hijacked. The agent would not have been able to prevent it.

You make a good point. IMO from what I've read, the pilot knew he was SS. After denying boarding, he let the agent, an Arab, deplane, with a gun? If the pilot had a real doubt, we'd be reading about the agent's arguement with the National Guard & Dallas police, not the pilot.

43 posted on 01/04/2002 10:18:14 PM PST by SJackson
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To: ImphClinton
The president ordered this man on to this flight to protect the President.
The President has very limited control of the actions of Secret Service Agents!!

This Captain had no right to refuse passage without even bothering to call a local number.
Yes, he did!!

None of the terroist managed to get a gun through security.
But one asshole got a pair of plastic-explosive shoes through!

Did this Captain check with the Agents supervisor.
No, he didn't have to!.

Did he make any attempt to verify the agents identy.
No, he didn't have to!.

Worse of ass as Bill said he never reported the incident to authorities until he was called on the carpte.
This one I don't know what you mean!

Your attitude is best displayed by your own quote,"What good are Air Marshals if stupid Pilots will not even allow SS Agents on planes."

59 posted on 01/04/2002 10:45:15 PM PST by Nitro
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To: ImphClinton
I can not believe you still believe the Media Lies told yesterday. Seems the President should outrank any captain. The president ordered this man on to this flight to protect the President. This Captain had no right to refuse passage without even bothering to call a local number.
Where did you get this garbage from? The president ordered this man on to this flight to protect the president? So W was on this flight? News to me. The president doesn't have the authority to order this captain or any other to let a potential terrorist to board. He had every right to refuse, if I had been witness to this scene and the pilot had let this scumbag fly anyway, I'd sue AA for reckless endangerment. Work with facts. Blackbird.
96 posted on 01/04/2002 11:57:38 PM PST by BlackbirdSST
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To: ImphClinton
Help me out here. You've been a member of FR for three years, and you still watch CNN and side with communists like Bill Press. I'm having a little trouble figuring out just what you're doing on FR. Clue me in just a little if you don't mind.
154 posted on 01/05/2002 3:28:15 AM PST by Twodees
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To: ImphClinton
I can not believe you still believe the Media Lies told yesterday. Seems the President should outrank any captain. The president ordered this man on to this flight to protect the President. This Captain had no right to refuse passage without even bothering to call a local number. In fact this Captain wouldn't even allow his suypervison to call and verify this agents identity.

Do you realize how many LEGITIMATE pilots' licenses, security keys, uniforms, and drivers' licenses have been stolen and never recovered? Do you realize that Mohammad Atta's parents still insist that someone faked his identity to receive a passport and visa? Do you realize how many illegals can go to almost any city in the US and get identification papers that it would take G-d to recognize as forgeries? Not to mention the forged documents that can be had for free if you are a terrorist with an organization behind you? Can you understand the seeds of panic this *agent* planted by his attitude, the unusual reading material in his carryon luggage, his arrogance and temper?
If he said the President ordered him to be somewhere, who gave Mohammed Atta permission to sit in the jumpseat in the cockpit of the plane he then hijacked? Why, none other than American Airlines...as a courtesy to off duty pilots. No one questioned HIS right to be there and thousands of people are dead because of it.
ONE Secret Service agent is no more special than Mohammad Atta. The agent is alive. The passengers are alive. And the PILOT is a hero.

433 posted on 01/05/2002 6:03:44 PM PST by Nix 2
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