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To: SteveH
First off - F the KKK MF'ers. It is SINGLEHANDEDLY their fault, and ONLY THEIR FAULT and THEIR SUPPORTERS' faults for the old CCW laws in my state.

In 1926 or 27, Dr Sweet defended himself with his gun. He was put on trial and was found NOT GUILTY. Dr Sweet was a black man.

The Powers that Be, specifically the Klan, did not like black men with guns. Many Anti Self Defense suburbanites, especially in the gated community, and especially the LIMO LIBS have that same attitude today.

Those powers that be invented the "discretionary" system of CCW. Oh, it was never supposed to be applied to white, right?? Before July 1 2001, you needed to have 2 of the three people on the gun board support you having a CCW. The three on the board are a State Police top Brass who ALWAYS voted no, and the county prosecutor(usually no) and the sheriff(Depends on who).

Guess what - What can happen to the black man one day, happens to the white man the next day.

11 posted on 12/31/2001 11:05:19 PM PST by Dan from Michigan
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To: Dan from Michigan
Second Amendment BUMP, anti-racism BUMP - and a BUMP for all those on this board whose families, past and present, exercised their constitutional right to defend their families against ALL manner of thugs, tyrants, terrorists and traitors. May the flag of Freedom they defended ever fly over us!
12 posted on 12/31/2001 11:12:46 PM PST by dandelion
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To: Dan from Michigan
This jerks showing his age....Negroes LOL~
13 posted on 12/31/2001 11:13:51 PM PST by Bad~Rodeo
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To: Dan from Michigan
the story sounds just like the heroe's of the warsaw ghetto!
the nazi's didn't want their @$$es shot off either!
how many blacks who've been through that do you think support the brady idiots, MMM's, feinswine, shoo-muh, kennedy, etc.??
i'm sure the truck dragging incident wouldn't have happened if the man was armed!

now go take their guns, jesse & al!!!

15 posted on 12/31/2001 11:21:02 PM PST by rockfish59
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To: Dan from Michigan
I've never seen a thread wherein the first 10 comments were deleted! WHAT did I miss?
19 posted on 12/31/2001 11:25:18 PM PST by onyx
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To: Dan from Michigan
disciplined volley of rifle fire!

i like the sound of that!
line 'em up, squeeze 'em off!

20 posted on 12/31/2001 11:25:37 PM PST by rockfish59
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To: Dan from Michigan
so what were the first 10 comments deleted for?
22 posted on 12/31/2001 11:26:23 PM PST by rockfish59
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To: Dan from Michigan
Leftist so-called "gun control" got its start in America during so-called "Reconstruction" as a means of disarming freed slaves. Only the terminology has changed.
51 posted on 01/01/2002 5:28:18 AM PST by Standing Wolf
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To: Dan from Michigan
RE: post 11: A lot of merit in your post. However there were and still are a lot of white Southerners who are not as anti Black as a lot of Northerners. When I was a 2 year old my best friend was Black and was killed by a horse. We were sad but I was too young to understand death. We went to console our neighbors and I remember my dad picking me up to see my friend in the coffin. This was in the depths of the depression and none of us had any money but we shared vegetables etc.
60 posted on 01/01/2002 7:04:39 AM PST by southland
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This couldn't have happened! Jesse Jackson, Quisey Mfumin', and Rev. Al have said nothing about black people defending them selves with (of all things) guns! sarcasm/off.
63 posted on 01/01/2002 9:09:18 AM PST by timydnuc
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To: Dan from Michigan

Then, IMO.. the Blacks should be more proficent with their weapons.

There should have been alot of Klan casualties the way I see (and approve of) it.

67 posted on 01/01/2002 11:10:49 AM PST by Jhoffa_
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To: Dan from Michigan; bang_list
One of the deleted posts was my bang bump. I am guessing that some of the deleted posts were unintentional, but who knows.

What I am wondering is, what are the corresponding CCW origins in other states. For example, California?

70 posted on 01/01/2002 12:37:18 PM PST by SteveH
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To: Dan from Michigan
Here is something on U.S. CCW history from "Crime Free South Africa". To this history I would add that the movie "The Birth of a Nation" came out in 1915, if that is any gauge of public opinion at the time. In any case, interesting.

The Right To Carry

A Short History of Concealed Handgun Permits Laws prohibiting concealed carrying of handguns without a permit are, in most of the United States, relatively recent. While some statutes from before the Civil War did address concealed carrying, they did so by outlawing it entirely, rather than by setting up a system whereby concealed carrying would be lawful only with a permit. These antebellum statutes usually had no exemptions for sheriffs or other peace officers, even when on duty. [1] During the 1920s and 1930s many states adopted "A Uniform Act to Regulate the Sale and Possession of Firearms." This model law, adopted by the National Conference of Commissioners on Uniform State Laws and supported by the National Rifle Association, prohibited unlicensed concealed carry.

Recognizing that there were circumstances when at least some civilians would have a legitimate need for concealed carry of a handgun, most states adopted provisions allowing a sheriff, police chief or judge to issue concealed handgun permits. Significantly, such statutes were broadly discretionary; while the law might specify certain minimum standards for obtaining a permit, the decision whether a permit should be issued was not regulated by express statutory standards. [2]

In some parts of the United States, concealed handgun permit statutes were passed for frankly racist reasons, as a method of prohibiting Blacks from carrying arms. "The statute was never intended to be applied to the white population and in practice has never been so applied," in the words of a Florida Supreme Court Justice. [3]

While the motivations behind California's concealed handgun statute are not as clearly understood, the effect has been similar. California's legislative research body studied the issue in 1986 and concluded: "The overwhelming majority of permit holders are white males." [4] Because so many victims of violent crime are female or non-white, the discrimination in granting of carry permits is especially hard to justify. [5]

Not every state adopted the Uniform Act. Some states had already enacted their own statutes. [6] Vermont adopted no statute prohibiting concealed carry of handguns, at least partly because of the Vermont Supreme Court's expansive reading of the Vermont Constitution's protections in State v. Rosenthal (1903). [7] Today, Vermont still has no laws prohibiting or regulating concealed carry, except "with the intent or avowed purpose of injuring a fellow man..." [8]

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"Shall Issue": The New Wave of Concealed Handgun Permit Laws By Clayton E. Cramer & David B. Kopel Independence Institute.

1. State v. Reid, 1 Ala. 612 (1840). See generally Clayton E. Cramer, For The Defense Of Themselves And The State: The Original Intent & Judicial Interpretation of the Right To Keep And Bear Arms (Westport, Conn.: Praeger, 1994), pp. 76- 78. Even the most restrictive state laws, however, included an exemption for travelers.

2. Gregory J. Petesch, ed., Montana Code Annotated, (Helena, Mont., Montana Legislative Council: 1990), p. 371. Also, Assembly Office of Research, Smoking Gun: The Case For Concealed Weapon Permit Reform (Sacramento, State of California: 1986), p. 6-8. See also Cramer, pp. 172-178, 263-264, and Don B. Kates, Jr., "History of Handgun Prohibition", in Don B. Kates, Jr., ed., Restricting Handguns: The Liberal Skeptics Speak Out (North River Press: 1979), for details of the late arrival of concealed handgun statutes in the North and West.

3. Watson v. Stone, 4 So.2d 700, 703 (Fla. 1941): "...the Act was passed for the purpose of disarming the negro laborers and to thereby reduce the number of unlawful homicides...and to give the white citizens in sparsely settled areas a better feeling of security. The statute was never intended to be applied to the white population...and there has never been, within my knowledge, any effort to enforce the provisions of the statute as to white people, because it has been generally conceded to be in contravention of the Constitution and non-enforceable if contested."

4. Assembly Office of Research, Smoking Gun: The Case For Concealed Weapon Permit Reform (Sacramento, State Of California: 1986), p. 2.

5. According to the FBI, 49.6% of murder victims in 1991 were Black. FBI, Uniform Crime Reports for the United States 1991 (Wash., 1992), p. 16 table 2.4.

6. At least one state, California, replaced an existing statute with the Uniform Act. See Statutes of California Passed At The Extra Session of the Forty-First Legislature, (San Francisco, Bancroft-Whitney: 1916), p. 221, to see the differences and similarities between the 1917 California concealed handgun statute, and the Uniform Act adopted by California in 1923.

7. State v. Rosenthal, 75 Vt. 295, 55 Atl. 610 (1903).

8. Vermont Statutes sec. 4003.

Copyright © 2001 Crimefree South Africa, all rights reserved.

74 posted on 01/01/2002 8:37:49 PM PST by SteveH
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To: Dan from Michigan
"Guess what - What can happen to the black man one day, happens to the white man the next day."

AMEN

Slavery by one group over another is not new. Then it was racially motivated against black men. Today it is the power for political control directed against all men.

Slavery is slavery and our government has put us in bondage in every aspect of our lives. Freedom of the individual no longer exists and at some point soon hopefully we will have had enough.

What was it Patrick Henry said, "Give me liberty or give me death?"

89 posted on 01/02/2002 5:14:35 AM PST by tberry
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