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Negroes with Guns
NewsMax ^ | 12/28/2001 | Dr. Michael S. Brown

Posted on 12/31/2001 10:15:58 PM PST by SteveH

'Negroes With Guns'
Dr. Michael S. Brown
Dec. 28, 2001

The year was 1957. Monroe, N.C., was a rigidly segregated town where all levels of white society and government were dedicated to preserving the racial status quo. Blacks who dared to speak out were subject to brutal, sadistic violence.

It was common practice for convoys of Ku Klux Klan members to drive through black neighborhoods shooting in all directions. A black physician who owned a nice brick house on a main road was a frequent target of racist anger.

In the summer of 1957, a Klan motorcade sent to attack the house was met by a disciplined volley of rifle fire from a group of black veterans and NRA members led by civil rights activist Robert F. Williams.

Using military-surplus rifles from behind sandbag fortifications, the small band of freedom fighters drove off the larger force of Klansmen with no casualties reported on either side.

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To: southland
I agree. I was adressing my state.
62 posted on 01/01/2002 9:01:52 AM PST by Dan from Michigan
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To: All
This couldn't have happened! Jesse Jackson, Quisey Mfumin', and Rev. Al have said nothing about black people defending them selves with (of all things) guns! sarcasm/off.
63 posted on 01/01/2002 9:09:18 AM PST by timydnuc
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To: TEXICAN II
Reperations was THE issue, back then.

Lincoln publicly and repeatedly offered reparations. The Southern States rejected such offers out-of-hand as Federal Goverment interference. The South then proceded to ratify a constitution that pointedly allowed slavery.

Reparations then and now are a smoke screen used by those who would hide from history their lack of American ethics.

64 posted on 01/01/2002 10:38:27 AM PST by M.K. Borders
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To: M.K. Borders
Is it not strange, that only Democrats talk of the need of reparations. The more things change the more they stay the same.
65 posted on 01/01/2002 10:39:50 AM PST by M.K. Borders
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To: Dan from Michigan
I don't understand either. I was 2 of the top 10. All I did was praise the actions of the gun toters. And made a joke about how we were bashing the KKK.
66 posted on 01/01/2002 11:05:29 AM PST by Bogey78O
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To: Dan from Michigan

Then, IMO.. the Blacks should be more proficent with their weapons.

There should have been alot of Klan casualties the way I see (and approve of) it.

67 posted on 01/01/2002 11:10:49 AM PST by Jhoffa_
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To: Jhoffa_
PS:

That doesn't scare me.. I welcome it. I call it a good thing.

Does it scare you for some reason?

68 posted on 01/01/2002 11:12:37 AM PST by Jhoffa_
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To: OneidaM
Hello and Happy New Year, Miss O! Dagnabbit... I shoulda pinged you on this one... :-)
69 posted on 01/01/2002 11:52:42 AM PST by austinTparty
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To: Dan from Michigan; bang_list
One of the deleted posts was my bang bump. I am guessing that some of the deleted posts were unintentional, but who knows.

What I am wondering is, what are the corresponding CCW origins in other states. For example, California?

70 posted on 01/01/2002 12:37:18 PM PST by SteveH
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To: SteveH
I don't know, but I know Missouri's CCW law was for the same reason as Michigan's law.
71 posted on 01/01/2002 12:41:33 PM PST by Dan from Michigan
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To: Ace2U
"The KKK are traditionally as close to being a wanna be American Taliban as any other cancer of an organization as any group this nation has seen"

I get the absolute chills when I see some of them zeig heil, white American's zeig heiling, it's an abomination. I was posting the other day that I was worried that the events of 9-11 and the growing fear of becoming a minority might be swelling the ranks of the KKK. I sure would like to see some statistics.

72 posted on 01/01/2002 12:51:29 PM PST by MissAmericanPie
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To: Blake#1
. A good sample of this is in the movie GONE WITH THE WIND. Inhabitants of "Shanty Town" (Blacks) attack Scarlit.

Bzzzzt. Try again. Scarlett is attacked by two white guys from the "shantytown". She's saved by a black man, a former slave from Tara ("Big Sam" I believe was the man's name).

73 posted on 01/01/2002 7:02:51 PM PST by safeasthebanks
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To: Dan from Michigan
Here is something on U.S. CCW history from "Crime Free South Africa". To this history I would add that the movie "The Birth of a Nation" came out in 1915, if that is any gauge of public opinion at the time. In any case, interesting.

The Right To Carry

A Short History of Concealed Handgun Permits Laws prohibiting concealed carrying of handguns without a permit are, in most of the United States, relatively recent. While some statutes from before the Civil War did address concealed carrying, they did so by outlawing it entirely, rather than by setting up a system whereby concealed carrying would be lawful only with a permit. These antebellum statutes usually had no exemptions for sheriffs or other peace officers, even when on duty. [1] During the 1920s and 1930s many states adopted "A Uniform Act to Regulate the Sale and Possession of Firearms." This model law, adopted by the National Conference of Commissioners on Uniform State Laws and supported by the National Rifle Association, prohibited unlicensed concealed carry.

Recognizing that there were circumstances when at least some civilians would have a legitimate need for concealed carry of a handgun, most states adopted provisions allowing a sheriff, police chief or judge to issue concealed handgun permits. Significantly, such statutes were broadly discretionary; while the law might specify certain minimum standards for obtaining a permit, the decision whether a permit should be issued was not regulated by express statutory standards. [2]

In some parts of the United States, concealed handgun permit statutes were passed for frankly racist reasons, as a method of prohibiting Blacks from carrying arms. "The statute was never intended to be applied to the white population and in practice has never been so applied," in the words of a Florida Supreme Court Justice. [3]

While the motivations behind California's concealed handgun statute are not as clearly understood, the effect has been similar. California's legislative research body studied the issue in 1986 and concluded: "The overwhelming majority of permit holders are white males." [4] Because so many victims of violent crime are female or non-white, the discrimination in granting of carry permits is especially hard to justify. [5]

Not every state adopted the Uniform Act. Some states had already enacted their own statutes. [6] Vermont adopted no statute prohibiting concealed carry of handguns, at least partly because of the Vermont Supreme Court's expansive reading of the Vermont Constitution's protections in State v. Rosenthal (1903). [7] Today, Vermont still has no laws prohibiting or regulating concealed carry, except "with the intent or avowed purpose of injuring a fellow man..." [8]

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"Shall Issue": The New Wave of Concealed Handgun Permit Laws By Clayton E. Cramer & David B. Kopel Independence Institute.

1. State v. Reid, 1 Ala. 612 (1840). See generally Clayton E. Cramer, For The Defense Of Themselves And The State: The Original Intent & Judicial Interpretation of the Right To Keep And Bear Arms (Westport, Conn.: Praeger, 1994), pp. 76- 78. Even the most restrictive state laws, however, included an exemption for travelers.

2. Gregory J. Petesch, ed., Montana Code Annotated, (Helena, Mont., Montana Legislative Council: 1990), p. 371. Also, Assembly Office of Research, Smoking Gun: The Case For Concealed Weapon Permit Reform (Sacramento, State of California: 1986), p. 6-8. See also Cramer, pp. 172-178, 263-264, and Don B. Kates, Jr., "History of Handgun Prohibition", in Don B. Kates, Jr., ed., Restricting Handguns: The Liberal Skeptics Speak Out (North River Press: 1979), for details of the late arrival of concealed handgun statutes in the North and West.

3. Watson v. Stone, 4 So.2d 700, 703 (Fla. 1941): "...the Act was passed for the purpose of disarming the negro laborers and to thereby reduce the number of unlawful homicides...and to give the white citizens in sparsely settled areas a better feeling of security. The statute was never intended to be applied to the white population...and there has never been, within my knowledge, any effort to enforce the provisions of the statute as to white people, because it has been generally conceded to be in contravention of the Constitution and non-enforceable if contested."

4. Assembly Office of Research, Smoking Gun: The Case For Concealed Weapon Permit Reform (Sacramento, State Of California: 1986), p. 2.

5. According to the FBI, 49.6% of murder victims in 1991 were Black. FBI, Uniform Crime Reports for the United States 1991 (Wash., 1992), p. 16 table 2.4.

6. At least one state, California, replaced an existing statute with the Uniform Act. See Statutes of California Passed At The Extra Session of the Forty-First Legislature, (San Francisco, Bancroft-Whitney: 1916), p. 221, to see the differences and similarities between the 1917 California concealed handgun statute, and the Uniform Act adopted by California in 1923.

7. State v. Rosenthal, 75 Vt. 295, 55 Atl. 610 (1903).

8. Vermont Statutes sec. 4003.

Copyright © 2001 Crimefree South Africa, all rights reserved.

74 posted on 01/01/2002 8:37:49 PM PST by SteveH
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To: austinTparty
And a Happy New Year to you too Ms. ATP!!! Hope you have a great one!!!!
75 posted on 01/01/2002 8:57:15 PM PST by Neets
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To: *BRAAD
BRAAD

WE'RE HERE. WE'RE INTOLERANT. GET USED TO IT!
OR  We'll Kick your A$$

76 posted on 01/01/2002 9:02:07 PM PST by Khepera
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To: Khepera
Not hard to tell there's an election coming ... the RATS have very inventive ways to stir up divisive issues. This is an interesting one though, connecting bigotry to CCW. By my read of the Constitution, ALL Americans have the right to bear arms. End of story, unless one is a convicted felon or mentally defective and thus dangerous. There is no racist fuel in such a stance, but the RATS can stir one up, apparently.
77 posted on 01/01/2002 9:17:33 PM PST by MHGinTN
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To: Khepera
Not hard to tell there's an election coming ... the RATS have very inventive ways to stir up divisive issues. This is an interesting one though, connecting bigotry to CCW. By my read of the Constitution, ALL Americans have the right to keep and bear arms. End of story, unless one is a convicted felon or mentally defective and thus dangerous. There is no racist fuel in such a stance, but the RATS can stir one up, apparently.
78 posted on 01/01/2002 9:19:06 PM PST by MHGinTN
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To: Khepera
Not hard to tell there's an election coming ... the RATS have very inventive ways to stir up divisive issues. This is an interesting one though, connecting bigotry to CCW. By my read of the Constitution, ALL Americans have the right to bear arms. End of story, unless one is a convicted felon or mentally defective and thus dangerous. There is no racist fuel in such a stance, but the RATS can stir one up, apparently.
79 posted on 01/01/2002 9:19:25 PM PST by MHGinTN
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To: Khepera
Not hard to tell there's an election coming ... the RATS have very inventive ways to stir up divisive issues. This is an interesting one though, connecting bigotry to CCW. By my read of the Constitution, ALL Americans have the right to keep and bear arms. End of story, unless one is a convicted felon or mentally defective and thus dangerous. There is no racist fuel in such a stance, but the RATS can stir one up, apparently.
80 posted on 01/01/2002 9:21:50 PM PST by MHGinTN
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