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To: Exnihilo
In fact, this is all but a done deal. It's really only a matter of time before Dembski perfects his ideas, and proves once and for all that specified complexity can only come from intelligence.

LOL! OK, let me know when that happens. I'm no statistician or mathematician, so I can't mount a comprehensive critique of Dembski's Explanatory Filter, but I'll paraphrase a review of one of his books (which I can't find now): Velikovsky started out with an intriguing theory, but after being beaten down by critiques based on the laws of physics, he ended up arguing against gravity itself. Similarly, Dembski's theory started out with possibilities, but after being beaten down by critiques based on generally accepted mathematics & probability theories, Dembski is reduced to arguing against probability himself.

On a less combative note (perhaps), you should find this review of Dembski & Johnson interesting reading.

However, even if he doesn't, the materialists still must prove that natural processes are capable of information creation, which they have not even attempted to do.

Amino acids & nucleic acids spontaneously link & form longer & longer chains on the surfaces of minerals, even up to lengths where functional proteins & RNA start to be found. Genes duplicate & then diverge, one of which sometimes finds a new "job" in the organism. (See Miller, Finding Darwin's God, where he explains comprehensive detail Doolittle's feat of tracing the evolution of the blood clotting cascade.) Plants experience polyploidy (wholesale duplications of their chromosomes) all the time. (IIRC, not so much in animals.) What more does a person need?

32 posted on 12/30/2001 5:35:02 PM PST by jennyp
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To: jennyp
Amino acids & nucleic acids spontaneously link & form longer & longer chains on the surfaces of minerals, even up to lengths where functional proteins & RNA start to be found.

Dear god.. you actually believe that? LOL! And dear, if you had half the intellectual honesty that you pretend to, you might have spent five minutes looking for Dembski's responses to his critics. I would also put down a large sum of cash betting that you've never even read one of his books.
43 posted on 12/31/2001 5:25:53 AM PST by Exnihilo
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To: jennyp
And pointing to Ken Miller? Puuhhlease.. I'd bet, again, that you haven't looked for critics of Miller's work have you? For shame Jenny. I thought you were better than that.
44 posted on 12/31/2001 5:27:13 AM PST by Exnihilo
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