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Addicted to the Drug War
Ludwig von Mises Institute ^ | December 28, 2001 | Ilana Mercer

Posted on 12/30/2001 1:25:13 AM PST by NoCurrentFreeperByThatName

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To: Cultural Jihad
Not all sheriffs are corrupt. Just as not all drug users are rampaging hooligans.
201 posted on 12/30/2001 5:05:51 PM PST by MadameAxe
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To: Cultural Jihad
It is a real simple right and wrong issue that people who want to use illegal drugs wish to wrap as a freedom issue to avoid legal consequenses.

I don't think the Libertarians are all drugies, but I do think they have a strong drug using wing.

202 posted on 12/30/2001 5:07:48 PM PST by A CA Guy
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To: MadameAxe
But all drug users are in altered states and eventually alter their brain permanently. I have read that in the past in several medical articles.
203 posted on 12/30/2001 5:11:36 PM PST by A CA Guy
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To: A CA Guy
Look around. What makes you think that current policies don't "grow" drug users?
204 posted on 12/30/2001 5:11:38 PM PST by MadameAxe
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To: MadameAxe
Not all sheriffs are corrupt. Just as not all drug users are rampaging hooligans.

Agreed, although the percentages of hooliganism on the side of drug users far outweighs the percentages of corruption among the LEO's.

205 posted on 12/30/2001 5:12:33 PM PST by Cultural Jihad
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To: A CA Guy
Have to sign out. Stay sober and out of jail due to violent offenses all illegal drug users!
206 posted on 12/30/2001 5:13:29 PM PST by A CA Guy
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To: Roscoe
Which Amendment guarantees the right to smoke and slam dope?

I don't know about slamming dope, but, otherwise: Founding Clause, 9th, 10th, 18th, 21st. Why do you need a constitional amendment to allow cops to jail people for alcohol, but no other form of processed drug? It couldn't be clearer that we violate our Consitition when we arrest people for consuming psycho-active drugs. The feds totally caved on this question in passing the 18th & 21st Amendments.

207 posted on 12/30/2001 5:13:38 PM PST by donh
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To: Cultural Jihad
Visit the Californian prisons for men and you'll find illegal drug usage at the time of virtually all violent crime they were put in there for.
208 posted on 12/30/2001 5:14:45 PM PST by A CA Guy
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To: A CA Guy
I would find out where it comes from and go look for the articles in the news to make sure you are not poisioning yourself.

Any non-government-funded sources that can back this up? Is it affecting any other crops? Or is it just another in the long series of lies that drug warriors think will scare people into obedience?

To CJ: a generalization would be the claim that everything the drug warriors say is a lie. I'm not doing that. But I am saying they've lied so much that their credibility is minimal.

209 posted on 12/30/2001 5:17:38 PM PST by Virginia-American
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To: A CA Guy
It is a real simple right and wrong issue

If they're not harming others, it should be a matter between them and God. It's none of the State's business.

You don't really believe that the illegality of certain drugs is in any way related to any objective assement of their effects on people? If you do, explain why alcohol and tobacco aren't illlegal.

210 posted on 12/30/2001 5:19:28 PM PST by MadameAxe
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To: A CA Guy
But all drug users are in altered states and eventually alter their brain permanently.

Consumers of hot peppers alter their brains permanently. Make a statistically meaningful connection to severe known harm, and you have the start of an argument going for you.

I have read that in the past in several medical articles.

Now there's a well-sourced, devastating argument. How is it that the DEA's own Judge-Advocate Young, or the joint committee of AMA and ADA, while reviewing the heroin experiment in Britain, while making their sweeps of the available scientific evidence didn't stumble onto this evidence?

211 posted on 12/30/2001 5:19:56 PM PST by donh
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To: A CA Guy
Visit the Californian prisons for men and you'll find illegal drug usage at the time of virtually all violent crime they were put in there for.

...and I'll bet they also all knew how to drive, and that driving was directly involved in virtually all violent crime. Does that prove driving causes violent behavior?

212 posted on 12/30/2001 5:22:31 PM PST by donh
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To: Cultural Jihad
Agreed, although the percentages of hooliganism on the side of drug users far outweighs the percentages of corruption among the LEO's.

How do you know? I doubt that the ones who aren't hooligans are nearly as likely to be caught as the ones who are. (I'm not saying that you're wrong, necessarily, just that I haven't seen enough data to draw a conclusion...)

213 posted on 12/30/2001 5:27:03 PM PST by MadameAxe
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To: Cultural Jihad
More of your obtuse gibberish below:

If the inalienable right to life/liberty/pursuit of happiness can be self-abrogated (as someone here claimed) --- blab, blab. --

Sheer bull. You can't name the 'someone' or show us your argument against, cause the claim, as you stated it, doesn't exist.

214 posted on 12/30/2001 5:45:18 PM PST by tpaine
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To: A CA Guy
But all drug users are in altered states and eventually alter their brain permanently. I have read that in the past in several medical articles.

If it's in an article, it must be true!

215 posted on 12/30/2001 5:51:52 PM PST by Nate505
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To: MadameAxe
It does affect the innocent people at large and those aroud any addicted person. So, YES, they are committing illegal acts against us all.
216 posted on 12/30/2001 5:56:42 PM PST by A CA Guy
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To: A CA Guy
How so? Prove your claim. Oops, you can't.
217 posted on 12/30/2001 5:58:46 PM PST by MadameAxe
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To: Virginia-American
Virginian-American, I believe it was either extremely high levels of something associated with the volcanoes in the case of Hawaii. It is fairly current and you can find it I am sure. Perhaps it is in FR.

It is a real concern, I wasn't joking about it at all. I wouldn't want somebody to get brain damage because of the soil pot was grown on so I thought it would be considerate to pass it on.

218 posted on 12/30/2001 6:00:20 PM PST by A CA Guy
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To: MadameAxe
The Greens are evil.

What do you think of the Libertarian/Green alliance?

See http://www.stanley2002.org/release11_14_01.htm

219 posted on 12/30/2001 6:02:47 PM PST by Roscoe
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To: Roscoe
Oh yuck, I don't even want to see it. Is that another CA thing?
220 posted on 12/30/2001 6:04:32 PM PST by MadameAxe
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