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Addicted to the Drug War
Ludwig von Mises Institute ^ | December 28, 2001 | Ilana Mercer

Posted on 12/30/2001 1:25:13 AM PST by NoCurrentFreeperByThatName

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To: Roscoe
Very true...the question is, where do you stand?
1,541 posted on 01/02/2002 3:11:37 PM PST by JakeWyld
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To: tpaine

Amazing how the self-avowed libertarians are such busy-bodies, sticking their noses into other people's bidness. So much for their supposed rugged individualism.

1,542 posted on 01/02/2002 3:22:06 PM PST by Cultural Jihad
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To: CubicleGuy
A moral and religious people will be more than glad to teach and preach the evils of recreational drug use.

The moment they cross the line into legislating against the evils of recreational drug use, they cease to be a moral and religious people.

Apparantly CJ messed up when he posted his quotes and posted the raw quotes, untranslated by his statism addicted 'mind.'

For example, instead of posting John Adams' "We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion...", CJ should have posted the quote after he processed it through his addicted 'brain': "We have a government armed with power capable of dictating morality and religion to every creature. We have a government that is capable of imprisoning over 1 million people at a time and is capable of surveiling and snooping on millions more for the purpose of prescribing morality and religion by force."

I agree with you. When CJ and his gang cross the line and legislate and enforce their morality and religion, not only do they cease to be moral and religious themselves, but more importantly they become criminal. And, unlike morality, criminality directly involves victimized 3rd parties.

By crossing the line and victimizing their neighbors, CJ and his gang are setting themselves up to be taught a libertarian lesson in personal responsibility at the Judgement. There's still time for them to repent and make some sort of an attempt to pay for their damages to their victims, but they have hardened hearts.

1,544 posted on 01/02/2002 4:30:45 PM PST by Libertarian Billy Graham
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To: Virginia-American
I like your situation with the 45-60-45-60. 30 days a year was better though. Less bad laws can be created.
1,545 posted on 01/02/2002 5:13:36 PM PST by A CA Guy
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To: Cultural Jihad
Amazing how the self-avowed libertarians are such busy-bodies, sticking their noses into other people's bidness. So much for their supposed rugged individualism.

All FReepers have been "invited" to this forum. Every person can chose who they want to read and respond to. By posting on this forum it is an agreement to have the poster's words read by any person that chooses. In effect, FReeper#1 has invited other FReepers into the conversation as much as the  FReeper#1 agreed to enter into the conversation of other FReepers.

No doubt you want the rugged individuals to stop shinning the spotlight of honesty and wide-scope accounting on the parasitical elite that hide behind thinly veiled words feigning compassion for the people.

P.S. I anticipate your response will be to spew Drivel McNuggets

1,546 posted on 01/02/2002 5:21:22 PM PST by Zon
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To: Libertarian Billy Graham

A man cannot serve two masters, but don't let that fact stop you from trying. It is a shame to see anyone denigrate a religion for their blind adherence to their wicked humanist ideology, though.

1,547 posted on 01/02/2002 5:59:47 PM PST by Cultural Jihad
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To: Libertarian Billy Graham

A man cannot serve two masters, but don't let that fact stop you from trying. It is a shame to see anyone denigrate a religion for their blind adherence to their wicked humanist ideology, though.

1,548 posted on 01/02/2002 6:00:27 PM PST by Cultural Jihad
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To: Cultural Jihad
I see, Hi, CJ. Mad at me for stealing your lines? So sorry. However, my description of you seems fairly accurate tho' sometimes some salty language slips out. I suppose I could have said you and Roscoe are Daschle buds. Means the same. A statist by any other name and all....

Hey, I got a question for you... did you ever serve in the military forces or have you always been just a drug warrior?

1,549 posted on 01/02/2002 6:17:41 PM PST by dcwusmc
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To: Cultural Jihad
This is from ex-police chief of San Jose, CA, a liberal gun-grabber. He's speaking on the drug war.

McNamara: Since the police can’t do their job the way they do it with other crimes, they resort to informants and to illegal searches. This is a major problem underlying police integrity throughout the United States. Last year, state and local police made somewhere around 1.4 million drug arrests. Almost none of those arrests had search warrants. Sometimes the guy says, "Sure, officer, go ahead and open the trunk of my car. I have a kilo of cocaine back there but I don’t want you to think I don’t cooperate with the local police." Or the suspect conveniently leaves the dope on the desk or throws it at the feet of the police officer as he approaches. But often nothing like that happens.

The fact is that sometimes the officer reaches inside the suspect’s pocket for the drugs and testifies that the suspect "dropped" it as the officer approached. It’s so common that it’s called "dropsy testimony." The lying is called "white perjury." Otherwise honest cops think it’s legitimate to commit these illegal searches and to perjure themselves because they are fighting an evil. In New York it’s called "testilying," and in Los Angeles it’s called joining the "Liar’s Club." It has lead some people to say L.A.P.D. stands for Los Angeles Perjury Department. It has undermined one of the most precious cornerstones of the whole criminal justice process: the integrity of the police officer on the witness stand.

Cop corruption, anyone?????

1,550 posted on 01/02/2002 6:39:44 PM PST by dcwusmc
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To: dcwusmc
Smarmy, immature words are the choice of libertarian ideologues who have run out of arguments, dc. You do your alleged faith no great service by sacrificing your honor on the altar of the Libertarian Beast.
1,551 posted on 01/02/2002 6:41:49 PM PST by Cultural Jihad
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To: A CA Guy
More McNamara:

McNamara: One year when I was police chief in San Jose, the city manager sent me a budget that contained no money for equipment. I politely told him that when you have a police department, you have to buy police cars, uniforms, and other equipment for the cops. He laughed, waved his hand, and said, "Last year you guys seized $4 million dollars. I expect you to do even better this year. In fact, you will be evaluated on that and you can use that money for equipment." So law enforcement becomes a revenue-raising agency and that takes, in too many cases, precedence over law enforcement.

And the cure ISN'T worse than the disease???????????

1,552 posted on 01/02/2002 6:43:00 PM PST by dcwusmc
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To: Cultural Jihad
CJ, I am NOT doing ANYTHING on the altar of Libertarianism. I am trying to get the CONSTITUTION restored as the supreme law of the land and not used as toilet paper any longer by drug warriors, gun grabbers and other assorted scum.

BTW, I notice you've added a new word to your vocabulary. Your teacher must be proud of you!

1,553 posted on 01/02/2002 6:48:01 PM PST by dcwusmc
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To: Cultural Jihad
Hey, I got a question for you... did you ever serve in the military forces or have you always been just a drug warrior?

1549 posted on 1/2/02 7:17 PM Pacific by dcwusmc

1,554 posted on 01/02/2002 6:50:53 PM PST by dcwusmc
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To: tpaine
Hi Tpaine,

I just took the opportunity as you wanted to see who is being insulting in the discussion. Based on the last 50 here is what I found.

VA Advogado claimed someone had no intelligence.
T-Paine called Roscoe a welfare cheat in 1543?

DCWUCMC - David:
#1502 Head in butt.
#1507 @$$hole buddy
#1510 Spewings
#1525 They'll send you a SS check in prision.
#1534 Then off to meet your new roommate BRUNO.

These seem to violate your sensibilities. By far DCWUCMC takes the prize!

If you folks feel there is an unconstitutional law, go challange it in court and try and overturn it.

We all established that growing drug addicts would be bad. Evil to be more exact.
70% of all violent crime was just reported on Fox News as being caused by illegal drug users. So innocents are hurt by illegal drug users in terribly high numbers. This is also evil.
There is no way to back illegal drug usage and not be on the side of evil.

1,555 posted on 01/02/2002 6:54:51 PM PST by A CA Guy
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To: dcwusmc
Siezure is great as long as it only affects the dealer and users. I don't aprove of the siezure of property of a person who didn't know their property was being used in drug use or sales.

It is great siezure of dealers and users stuff is going up. Good job.

1,556 posted on 01/02/2002 6:59:56 PM PST by A CA Guy
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To: dcwusmc
My constituency is not comprised of moral-cowards and social security frauds as represented by the libertarian ideologues, but rather I speak for all servicemen and women who have given their lives for their country.
1,557 posted on 01/02/2002 7:00:23 PM PST by Cultural Jihad
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To: dcwusmc
At least he is not a PRO-DRUG-ADDICT-WARRIOR! David.
1,558 posted on 01/02/2002 7:02:03 PM PST by A CA Guy
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To: A CA Guy
If you folks feel there is an unconstitutional law, go challange it in court and try and overturn it.

Working on it, and Clarence Thomas for one, thinks it's getting time to do just that. When the time comes, you can sit in the cheering section for FDR and his band of merry socialists, and argue that good government comes from perverting the Commerce Clause into a blank check fedgov can write for whatever authority it wants.

1,559 posted on 01/02/2002 7:08:09 PM PST by tacticalogic
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To: Cultural Jihad
Excuse me? YOU speak for ALL service men and women? And you didn't even serve? How could THAT be? I KNOW you don't speak for ME! If you're trying to say you speak for the dead, how do you figure that? Do you hold seances??? When did you serve and in what branch? Are you a war-vet?
1,560 posted on 01/02/2002 7:09:38 PM PST by dcwusmc
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