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America First: Why we need to examine our insane Foreign policy
self | 12/29/2001 | Demidog

Posted on 12/29/2001 9:27:49 AM PST by Demidog

I am not an America hater by any stretch of the imagination. Nor are the plethora of folks calling for a re-examination of our foreign policies. But that's what we're called.

I wish I knew why.

I really don't want to be against any American. I don't like being on the butt end of insults. So if there were a way to somehow explain what it is that bothers me about our foreign policy without the resultant cries of "traitor! treason! Islam firster!" I would.

One of the main problems apears to be that any "agreement" with bin Laden and his band of murdering thugs is seen to be support. Nothing could be further from the truth. It is probably true that bin Laden knows that water is tantamount to life in the desert. If I agree with this, I am no more supporting bin Laden than you are by agreeing.

When we decry any actions taken by Israel, we are "anti-semites." When Israel admitted that they had set a booby trap near an area where children played and 5 Palestinian boys died when it went off, you couldn't get near the topic without being ridiculed.

This is puzzling to me. There is nothing wrong per se with Israel and certainly not Jews, but for certain they are not perfect. For some, Israel is perfection and any criticism is tantamount to racism. Those who disagree are shouted down with such fervor it makes one pause.

American policies aren't perfect either. It is arguable for instance that John Wayne's death from cancer could be attributed to nuclear tests performed back in the 40's. Movie locations happened to be in the area where tests occurred. Many film industry professionals who worked on movies filmed in Nevada died from cancer including that great American we called "the Duke."

Many soldiers who were in the vicinity of those tests also died from cancer.

Why is it an indictment on all of America to bring such mistakes to light? In general, the American population has no say so in the slightest regarding these sorts of activities nor do they have much say in our foreign policy.

But as usual, it is the American population that has to accept the consequences of Policy mistakes made by the government. To say that those who object to this "hate America" is completely absurd.

The truth is quite the opposite.

I love America. And those who decry our foreign policy blunders and the theft of our hard earned money that is necessary in order to carry out these blunders also love America. We're simply tired of having to pay the price for those mistakes, while those who carry them out never have to suffer the consequences.

One of the most bizarre claims by those who are calling us "America haters" and "Islam firsters" is that terorrists are simply angry that we are so democratic as a nation and love freedom. These terrorists "hate freedom" and thus hate America and Americans. They're "jealous," in other words, of our prosperity.

This is about as brilliant an analysis as claiming that Timothy McVeigh was upset that he was no longer an employee of the federal government and thus took out his jealosy and rage on that same federal government.

It is the analysis of the simpleton.

The fact is, we only know what the terrorists claim. Not that it matters much. The opinions of mass murderers are not that important. Clearly however, this is not what any of the terrorists are saying. What they are saying is that they believe themselves to be oppressed by our foreign intervention.

When students took Iranian embassy employees hostage, their reason given for such extraordinary measures was American meddling in Iranian internal affairs.

The Shah of Iran was our personally hand-picked leader for their country. The CIA had, in the time period between the time we basically annexed Iran during WWII, purposefully destroyed opposition to the Shah by using tactics they had learned in South America.

None of those tactics were even remotely related to "freedom" or the principles upon which this nation was founded. They were the actions of a government that believed the Iranian people were chattle and were not worthy of chosing their own leadership.

So what happened? A number of Americans paid the price for our meddling. When we allowed the Shah to enter America to receive medical treatment, the last straw was put upon the back of that proverbial camel.

And that is not to mention the American lives that were sacrificed in a botched rescue attempt. For some, these lives are expendable. They are the price a nation pays for being a "super power." I agree with that assesment. But I don't think we need to be a superpower. I don't think we need to meddle in the affairs of other nations in order to protect our borders.

As is proven time and time again, such meddling has a high price.

And therein lies the rub. Dying in order to defend this nation from an attacking force is national defense and is noble. Sending young men and women across the globe to secure oil fields and preserve the "American way of life" is a sick project. I for one, am not willing to lose a single American for the cynical goal of sub-dollar-a-gallon fuel for my SUV.

If that is the measure of value for an American life then you can call me an America hater all day long and I will be proud to wear that badge.

I criticize our foreign policies because they result in the deaths of American soldiers and citizens at home and abroad. In no way do I criticize Americans. In the aftermath of the Trade Center attacks, it wasn't the government that responded with such ferocity and bravery. It was the average American.

The Beaurocrats were busy playing CYA and letting us know that none of this was their fault. In the meantime, Americans came up with over 60 million dollars in cash and even more in valuable resources in spite of the fact that they are taxed to the extreme in order to pay for the very policies that helped to incubate the attacks of 9/11.

America proved it's greatness in the response to the attacks. The government proved it's complete disregard for human liberty by passing laws which violate the spirit and letter of the Supreme law of the land. Even while the fires were still burning.

America is a great nation and is full of great people. Unfortunately its leaders have no respect for its people or its laws. Pointing this out is not showing hate for anything but the lawbreakers who do so.


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To: FITZ
"It would be a good thing if all foreign aid ---to all countries be voluntary and from the citizens directly. The government shouldn't be in on it."

Are you sure you are not a libertarian?

What do you think of HR2525?

821 posted on 12/30/2001 2:14:24 PM PST by carenot
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To: Pay now bill Clinton; Roscoe
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"Clinton said he was a libertarian." - Roscoe
"So did Ronald Reagan."
# 765 by Pay now bill Clinton

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The difference is that Ronald Reagan was a libertarian.

822 posted on 12/30/2001 2:14:54 PM PST by exodus
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To: exodus
Oh?

http://reason.com/7507/int_reagan.shtml

824 posted on 12/30/2001 2:23:06 PM PST by Roscoe
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To: malador
This is Free Republic, not Pravda!

Harry Browne is popular on Pravda.

http://english.pravda.ru/main/2001/09/13/15078.html

825 posted on 12/30/2001 2:24:56 PM PST by Roscoe
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To: carenot
When did it happen that that OUR Government could own anything?

1787 or thereabouts.

826 posted on 12/30/2001 2:27:29 PM PST by Roscoe
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To: carenot
I could support a national sales tax to replace income taxes if government spending was cut drastically which it should be anyhow. Otherwise a flat tax or flat rate tax of about 8-10% would be better than what we have now. I'm not a libertarian though because I'm against open borders and believe towns and counties should be able to do certain things if most of the people agree ---like have public schools or they could decide not to have them. Cities like Santa Fe should exist if most of the people like it that way ---where you are forced to build only a certain style of home for example.
827 posted on 12/30/2001 2:29:53 PM PST by FITZ
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To: Texasforever
Someone who believes that the foriegn policy of the United States should actually benifit the United States. Also, stay out of wars and disputes that are none of our business.
828 posted on 12/30/2001 2:31:20 PM PST by nonliberal
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To: carenot
I'm also not a libertarian because I like having National Parks where I can go snowmobiling or hiking and camping and it's not like a KOA camp and I'm not worried about No Trespassing signs everywhere.
829 posted on 12/30/2001 2:32:56 PM PST by FITZ
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To: monkeyshine
Protest it all you want, ignore it all you want, it will not end the fact that the Crips will regard you as a Crip....

The reality which you ignore is that your mindset doesn't matter. In fact you are bound to it in perpetuity according to the law which purports to govern you.

I certainly agree there, my OPINION as to my ALLEGIENCE absolutely has no discernable influence on the LAW, and the fact that I AM BOUND to it, by force, as you say, is perfect evidence for my argument: You are a slave.

Might doesn't make right. How can non-consentual allegience be just?

830 posted on 12/30/2001 2:43:48 PM PST by mindprism.com
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To: mindprism.com
How can non-consentual allegience be just?

Can't bear leaving the plantation?

831 posted on 12/30/2001 2:48:39 PM PST by Roscoe
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To: malador
I wouldn't know

Follow the link, if you dare.

833 posted on 12/30/2001 2:51:50 PM PST by Roscoe
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To: imperator2
To: Demidog
It is ignorant to think that Islamist radical give a crap about America's foreign policy.
They hate western civilization, and attack all western nations,
even those with poor relationships with Israel.
They want to impose Islam on the entire world.
(Just like the Nazis and Communist wanted to impose their idealogy)
Appeasment will only encourage them.
If you can't learn from history, then you are a fool.
# 754 by imperator2

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Tell my, imperator2.
Why do they hate western civilization?
It's not just because they're promoting
God's cause against the heathens.

The thesis of this thread is that it is "insane"
to fund foreign governments, and foreign causes,
with American taxes.

Do you support American financing of foreign governments?

834 posted on 12/30/2001 2:56:02 PM PST by exodus
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To: exodus
Tell my, imperator2. Why do they hate western civilization?

For the same reason so many LPers do. We're free and prosperous, and we won't join their cult.

835 posted on 12/30/2001 3:08:32 PM PST by Roscoe
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To: FITZ; carenot
To: carenot
"... I'm not a libertarian though
because I'm against open borders..."
# 827 by FITZ

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Believing in "open borders"
is not a requirement of being a libertarian.
Open borders is a policy decision made by a government.

If you believe that men have rights by virtue of being men,
If you believe government does not give men rights,
If you believe men have rights because they are men,
you follow the libertarian way of thinking.

837 posted on 12/30/2001 3:10:24 PM PST by exodus
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To: malador
Now this may come as a surprise to you Roscoe, but I'm really not interested in Pravda's propaganda

If you follow Harry Browne, you're unwittingly familiar with it already.

838 posted on 12/30/2001 3:12:00 PM PST by Roscoe
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To: Roscoe
How would you know if he's popular? They ran his column. It's a brilliant column too.
839 posted on 12/30/2001 3:15:02 PM PST by Demidog
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To: Roscoe
"Tell my, imperator2.
Why do they hate western civilization?"
-exodus

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To: exodus
For the same reason so many LPers do.
We're free and prosperous,
and we won't join their cult.
# 835 by Roscoe

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Wrong on all four counts, Roscoe.

Libertarians don't hate the government,
it is seen as a necessary "evil."
Libertarians do distrust government,
just as our libertarian founders did.

Islamists don't hate us because we're "free,"
to them we are to be pitied
for our lack of morals.

Islamists don't hate us because we're prosperous,
they hate us because we use our money
to interfere with their lives.

Finally, Islam is not a cult.

840 posted on 12/30/2001 3:22:01 PM PST by exodus
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