Posted on 12/29/2001 9:27:49 AM PST by Demidog
I am not an America hater by any stretch of the imagination. Nor are the plethora of folks calling for a re-examination of our foreign policies. But that's what we're called.
I wish I knew why.
I really don't want to be against any American. I don't like being on the butt end of insults. So if there were a way to somehow explain what it is that bothers me about our foreign policy without the resultant cries of "traitor! treason! Islam firster!" I would.
One of the main problems apears to be that any "agreement" with bin Laden and his band of murdering thugs is seen to be support. Nothing could be further from the truth. It is probably true that bin Laden knows that water is tantamount to life in the desert. If I agree with this, I am no more supporting bin Laden than you are by agreeing.
When we decry any actions taken by Israel, we are "anti-semites." When Israel admitted that they had set a booby trap near an area where children played and 5 Palestinian boys died when it went off, you couldn't get near the topic without being ridiculed.
This is puzzling to me. There is nothing wrong per se with Israel and certainly not Jews, but for certain they are not perfect. For some, Israel is perfection and any criticism is tantamount to racism. Those who disagree are shouted down with such fervor it makes one pause.
American policies aren't perfect either. It is arguable for instance that John Wayne's death from cancer could be attributed to nuclear tests performed back in the 40's. Movie locations happened to be in the area where tests occurred. Many film industry professionals who worked on movies filmed in Nevada died from cancer including that great American we called "the Duke."
Many soldiers who were in the vicinity of those tests also died from cancer.
Why is it an indictment on all of America to bring such mistakes to light? In general, the American population has no say so in the slightest regarding these sorts of activities nor do they have much say in our foreign policy.
But as usual, it is the American population that has to accept the consequences of Policy mistakes made by the government. To say that those who object to this "hate America" is completely absurd.
The truth is quite the opposite.
I love America. And those who decry our foreign policy blunders and the theft of our hard earned money that is necessary in order to carry out these blunders also love America. We're simply tired of having to pay the price for those mistakes, while those who carry them out never have to suffer the consequences.
One of the most bizarre claims by those who are calling us "America haters" and "Islam firsters" is that terorrists are simply angry that we are so democratic as a nation and love freedom. These terrorists "hate freedom" and thus hate America and Americans. They're "jealous," in other words, of our prosperity.
This is about as brilliant an analysis as claiming that Timothy McVeigh was upset that he was no longer an employee of the federal government and thus took out his jealosy and rage on that same federal government.
It is the analysis of the simpleton.
The fact is, we only know what the terrorists claim. Not that it matters much. The opinions of mass murderers are not that important. Clearly however, this is not what any of the terrorists are saying. What they are saying is that they believe themselves to be oppressed by our foreign intervention.
When students took Iranian embassy employees hostage, their reason given for such extraordinary measures was American meddling in Iranian internal affairs.
The Shah of Iran was our personally hand-picked leader for their country. The CIA had, in the time period between the time we basically annexed Iran during WWII, purposefully destroyed opposition to the Shah by using tactics they had learned in South America.
None of those tactics were even remotely related to "freedom" or the principles upon which this nation was founded. They were the actions of a government that believed the Iranian people were chattle and were not worthy of chosing their own leadership.
So what happened? A number of Americans paid the price for our meddling. When we allowed the Shah to enter America to receive medical treatment, the last straw was put upon the back of that proverbial camel.
And that is not to mention the American lives that were sacrificed in a botched rescue attempt. For some, these lives are expendable. They are the price a nation pays for being a "super power." I agree with that assesment. But I don't think we need to be a superpower. I don't think we need to meddle in the affairs of other nations in order to protect our borders.
As is proven time and time again, such meddling has a high price.
And therein lies the rub. Dying in order to defend this nation from an attacking force is national defense and is noble. Sending young men and women across the globe to secure oil fields and preserve the "American way of life" is a sick project. I for one, am not willing to lose a single American for the cynical goal of sub-dollar-a-gallon fuel for my SUV.
If that is the measure of value for an American life then you can call me an America hater all day long and I will be proud to wear that badge.
I criticize our foreign policies because they result in the deaths of American soldiers and citizens at home and abroad. In no way do I criticize Americans. In the aftermath of the Trade Center attacks, it wasn't the government that responded with such ferocity and bravery. It was the average American.
The Beaurocrats were busy playing CYA and letting us know that none of this was their fault. In the meantime, Americans came up with over 60 million dollars in cash and even more in valuable resources in spite of the fact that they are taxed to the extreme in order to pay for the very policies that helped to incubate the attacks of 9/11.
America proved it's greatness in the response to the attacks. The government proved it's complete disregard for human liberty by passing laws which violate the spirit and letter of the Supreme law of the land. Even while the fires were still burning.
America is a great nation and is full of great people. Unfortunately its leaders have no respect for its people or its laws. Pointing this out is not showing hate for anything but the lawbreakers who do so.
Are you kidding. There are a lot of other energy sources. Big oil won't let it happen.
there's;
Oil companies won't only lose profits, but they'll also lose political clout.
Maybe that is why he said it. He knows he wouldn't do it.
Probably.
Seemed to be the thing to do at the time.
But, he was operating within the law.
So did Ronald Reagan.
I have to commend you on a well thought out article which I agee with. I just finished reading it but I have yet to read the responses you received to your post. Now, I will proceed and guarantee you that you will be " attacked" by the ignorant and the immature posters that have nothing to add ("intelligently that is ") to an intelligent post, other than call names etc.
I think he knows it is incompetent, and knew they would use our tax money to fix it, if it went wrong.
Good investment.
Well, I went to find out some more details of the deal (here and here), since the original article was sort of thin. Two things:
1) They aren't directly loaning any money at all, actually. Rather, what they are doing is providing a guarantee for loans that America West will now try to line up in the capital markets.
2) Critically, they aren't buying or taking ownership of any America West stock, yet. Rather, what they have are options (warrants, really) to purchase the stock at a set price. They own no America West stock, and so long as America West doesn't default on its loans, the government won't ever own any AWA stock, it seems. Further, if the price of AWA stocks goes up, the government can turn a profit by selling the warrants. But not by owning a third of the airline ;)
The building it's population thing caught my eye.
How about the abortion in the US, China and other countries. Don't seem as though they want to build thier population.
Repeated ten thousand times, it remains just as false.
WHY?
You are right. I have noticed that.
I have the 4 cents, if you will please send me 30 cents, I will write to my Mama.
I don't mean nothin'. Just tryin' to be funny.
I do remember when I didn't have money for postage.
Egads, man.....you're starting to sound like the politicians. For instance, the illustrious GOP Representative John Kasich, when chair of the Budget committee, noted that $49 billion was 'chump' change.
The Dumb A*****E!!!! That 'chump' change he was talking about is the TAXPAYERS money......so how much per person does that come out to, eh--and to be a little more intellectually honest, why not do the figuring based on # of taxpayers who actually put the money in the pot.
ROSCOE: "The Constitution doesn't say anything about auctions. You just refuted yourself".
Weren't you the one spouting off about the Constitution giving Congress the right to establish laws and regulations concerning governing.....could it be that one of the laws the Congress passed had something to do with dispensing of excess/surplus/unwanted "federal" properties by auction or whatever way deemed workable by the GAO or GSA? Methinks thou doest blow a lot of wind--intentionally.
Er, what's this 'our' crap? Are you pregnant?
"The Constitution doesn't say anything about auctions. You just refuted yourself."
Oh, poo.
NOW you are going to........Never mind.
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