Posted on 12/29/2001 9:27:49 AM PST by Demidog
I am not an America hater by any stretch of the imagination. Nor are the plethora of folks calling for a re-examination of our foreign policies. But that's what we're called.
I wish I knew why.
I really don't want to be against any American. I don't like being on the butt end of insults. So if there were a way to somehow explain what it is that bothers me about our foreign policy without the resultant cries of "traitor! treason! Islam firster!" I would.
One of the main problems apears to be that any "agreement" with bin Laden and his band of murdering thugs is seen to be support. Nothing could be further from the truth. It is probably true that bin Laden knows that water is tantamount to life in the desert. If I agree with this, I am no more supporting bin Laden than you are by agreeing.
When we decry any actions taken by Israel, we are "anti-semites." When Israel admitted that they had set a booby trap near an area where children played and 5 Palestinian boys died when it went off, you couldn't get near the topic without being ridiculed.
This is puzzling to me. There is nothing wrong per se with Israel and certainly not Jews, but for certain they are not perfect. For some, Israel is perfection and any criticism is tantamount to racism. Those who disagree are shouted down with such fervor it makes one pause.
American policies aren't perfect either. It is arguable for instance that John Wayne's death from cancer could be attributed to nuclear tests performed back in the 40's. Movie locations happened to be in the area where tests occurred. Many film industry professionals who worked on movies filmed in Nevada died from cancer including that great American we called "the Duke."
Many soldiers who were in the vicinity of those tests also died from cancer.
Why is it an indictment on all of America to bring such mistakes to light? In general, the American population has no say so in the slightest regarding these sorts of activities nor do they have much say in our foreign policy.
But as usual, it is the American population that has to accept the consequences of Policy mistakes made by the government. To say that those who object to this "hate America" is completely absurd.
The truth is quite the opposite.
I love America. And those who decry our foreign policy blunders and the theft of our hard earned money that is necessary in order to carry out these blunders also love America. We're simply tired of having to pay the price for those mistakes, while those who carry them out never have to suffer the consequences.
One of the most bizarre claims by those who are calling us "America haters" and "Islam firsters" is that terorrists are simply angry that we are so democratic as a nation and love freedom. These terrorists "hate freedom" and thus hate America and Americans. They're "jealous," in other words, of our prosperity.
This is about as brilliant an analysis as claiming that Timothy McVeigh was upset that he was no longer an employee of the federal government and thus took out his jealosy and rage on that same federal government.
It is the analysis of the simpleton.
The fact is, we only know what the terrorists claim. Not that it matters much. The opinions of mass murderers are not that important. Clearly however, this is not what any of the terrorists are saying. What they are saying is that they believe themselves to be oppressed by our foreign intervention.
When students took Iranian embassy employees hostage, their reason given for such extraordinary measures was American meddling in Iranian internal affairs.
The Shah of Iran was our personally hand-picked leader for their country. The CIA had, in the time period between the time we basically annexed Iran during WWII, purposefully destroyed opposition to the Shah by using tactics they had learned in South America.
None of those tactics were even remotely related to "freedom" or the principles upon which this nation was founded. They were the actions of a government that believed the Iranian people were chattle and were not worthy of chosing their own leadership.
So what happened? A number of Americans paid the price for our meddling. When we allowed the Shah to enter America to receive medical treatment, the last straw was put upon the back of that proverbial camel.
And that is not to mention the American lives that were sacrificed in a botched rescue attempt. For some, these lives are expendable. They are the price a nation pays for being a "super power." I agree with that assesment. But I don't think we need to be a superpower. I don't think we need to meddle in the affairs of other nations in order to protect our borders.
As is proven time and time again, such meddling has a high price.
And therein lies the rub. Dying in order to defend this nation from an attacking force is national defense and is noble. Sending young men and women across the globe to secure oil fields and preserve the "American way of life" is a sick project. I for one, am not willing to lose a single American for the cynical goal of sub-dollar-a-gallon fuel for my SUV.
If that is the measure of value for an American life then you can call me an America hater all day long and I will be proud to wear that badge.
I criticize our foreign policies because they result in the deaths of American soldiers and citizens at home and abroad. In no way do I criticize Americans. In the aftermath of the Trade Center attacks, it wasn't the government that responded with such ferocity and bravery. It was the average American.
The Beaurocrats were busy playing CYA and letting us know that none of this was their fault. In the meantime, Americans came up with over 60 million dollars in cash and even more in valuable resources in spite of the fact that they are taxed to the extreme in order to pay for the very policies that helped to incubate the attacks of 9/11.
America proved it's greatness in the response to the attacks. The government proved it's complete disregard for human liberty by passing laws which violate the spirit and letter of the Supreme law of the land. Even while the fires were still burning.
America is a great nation and is full of great people. Unfortunately its leaders have no respect for its people or its laws. Pointing this out is not showing hate for anything but the lawbreakers who do so.
Of course it is. That is why I wasn't going to argue the point with him/her. Its just more distraction and diversion.
Of course it is. That is why I wasn't going to argue the point with him/her. Its just more distraction and diversion.
I guess that other thread got deleted .... (I know I'm slightly off topic)
The roaming gangs of thread bangers, trying to intimidate into silence those who would disagree with their agenda and propaganda, is why you and others are denigrated with the name calling.
The simple fact of the matter is that our foreign policy of being involved in the workings of all countries overseas, even when its not in our best interests is the result of policy that stems from the Cold War that is becoming increasingly outdated and out of touch with the modern post Cold War world.
It is imperitive we critically examine both our foreign and domestic policy or we may only be paving the way for our collective ruin as a democracy and burdening succesive generations with problems that we should have worked harder to solve.
Yawn. Is that the best you can come up with?
I have reservations about posting on these threads for that reason.
I always have fun on FR. When I am poking fun at someone I'm doing with a smile on my face. I don't mean any actual offense. On other threads I'll end up agreeing with some of the same people. However, I'd hate to get banned over some comment that some huffed up libt. hater took outta context.
Then it would seem that you'd have some concern for America being attacked by a foreign power on Sept 11. American citizens were slaughtered on US soil. All by foreign agents. We aren't at war with them now because of attacks on Israel, it was because of an attack on the US. We have a right to self-defense.
America's foreign policy is not insane. The basis of foreign policy is doing what is in the country's interest. America does what is in its interest.
The most common error in assessing foreign policy is to assume that either law or morality are the basis of forein policy. They are not. The basis of foreign policy is only what is in the nation's interest.
To better make the point, assume a scenario where the nation's survival hinged on breaking an international law and bombing an orphanage. The nation would do what is in it's interest (survive) without much regard to either the law or the orphanage because that is in the nation's interest.
Please tell me (without elaboration) even one principle of American foreign policy that is insane.
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Don't forget their huge satisfaction when the thead gets pulled because of that same baiting.
The NKVD gang? They exploit the fact that traditional Americans are brought as decent human beings and tend to look for common ground in any conflict, because they implicitly assume that the other side has a valid grievance when they complain. The gang, however, is brought is in the "us vs. them" mentality, where going for the throat, distortion, misrepresentation etc. are a norm.
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