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America First: Why we need to examine our insane Foreign policy
self | 12/29/2001 | Demidog

Posted on 12/29/2001 9:27:49 AM PST by Demidog

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To: ohmage;tex-oma;malador;Sandy;nunya bidness;LSJohn;Arator;Justin Raimondo
When I think of our relationship with Britain I don't ever think about the EU or your influence in it. I think about the fact that you never went anywhere in the world, even as a colonial power, that you didn't leave it better than you found it. [India, Africa, Ireland...] I think about the fact that in the last three hundred years you have been the modern Athens and we have been the modern Rome. I think about what you have contributed through the genius that Britain has had for democracy - a genius that has been possessed by no other people in the modern world to the degree that you have had it.

http://www.cps.org.uk/gramm.htm

I know you've read this...but this really popped out. I see what you're saying. Some real whoppers in here. Wow. We're Rome and here's a supposedly staunch Conservative saying "Empire is Grand! We are Rome!"

To those I bumped. You have to read this speech by Phil Graham made to The Centre for Policy Studies in England. It should blow your mind.

481 posted on 12/29/2001 7:46:49 PM PST by Demidog
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To: Roscoe
AMERICANS are calling our foreign policy insane. And what's more, they've been calling it insane since LONG before 9/11. Others had a different priority and they called it foreign aid to their favorite charities. AMERICANS are finally beginning to challenge that insane notion. Its about time.
482 posted on 12/29/2001 7:47:31 PM PST by Ridin' Shotgun
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To: Roscoe
AMERICANS are calling our foreign policy insane. And what's more, they've been calling it insane since LONG before 9/11. Others had a different priority and they called it foreign aid to their favorite charities. AMERICANS are finally beginning to challenge that insane notion. Its about time.
483 posted on 12/29/2001 7:49:09 PM PST by Ridin' Shotgun
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To: exodus,demidog
Why would admitting the editing be suprising? We could easily find out that the video tapes had been edited. If our government tried to deny it, they would easily be proven to be liars.

Circular reasoning, the government is wrong either way. Either the evil United States Government is trying to "frame" old Bin or they are not. Which is it? You and the rest of the doubters need to state right up front what your doubts are and why you have them. There seems to be two issues that some of you are implying. The first is that the Government foreign policy is the root cause of the 911 attacks. The second and conflicting implication is that the person that has called for "war" on the evil empire, has yet to be proven guilty of financing and ordering the attacks even though he is using the same rationale as the dog for why the attacks happened.

484 posted on 12/29/2001 7:49:53 PM PST by Texasforever
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To: Ridin' Shotgun
AMERICANS are calling our foreign policy insane.

The same 0.4% who voted for Harry Browne?

485 posted on 12/29/2001 7:50:37 PM PST by Roscoe
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To: tex-oma, demidog
This is not an essay, it's a vanity rant. Let it stand but call it what it is. Writers write essays.

You gotta laugh when a rant includes this....

There is nothing wrong per se with Israel and certainly not Jews.... Oh gee mighty open minded there LOL.

Not only will we not examine our policy vis a vis Israel (by that I assume the ranter means cut Israel off) we are closer than ever to Israel.

I don't think giving in to the wishes of Bin Laden is a good policy, do you? Plus Israel is a very valuable ally - THE AMERICAN PEOPLE THINK SO according to the new Zogby Middle East poll.

But feel free to write your Congressman. PS - 'America First' was the name adopted by the appeasers and Nazi sympathizers in WWII - folks our President did not trust one little bit.

486 posted on 12/29/2001 7:51:16 PM PST by veronica
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To: Ridin' Shotgun
AMERICANS are finally beginning to challenge that insane notion. Its about time.

Wow, that capitalization of Americans sure convinced me.

487 posted on 12/29/2001 7:52:08 PM PST by Texasforever
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To: Roscoe
I didn't vote for Harry Browne.
488 posted on 12/29/2001 7:52:08 PM PST by Ridin' Shotgun
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To: RGSpincich; Rowdee

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To: Rowdee
"...You still can't say what you are looking for
in the papers that are protected.
That makes it a "fishing expedition"
and you should be glad that Bush won't allow such nonsense.
# 465 by RGSpincich

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I can say exactly what I would be looking for.

I would be looking for what a policeman
would be looking for after getting a search warrant.

I would be looking for evidence
to support the charges levied
against the Clinton administration.

489 posted on 12/29/2001 7:52:35 PM PST by exodus
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To: Ridin' Shotgun
AMERICANS are calling our foreign policy insane.

AMERICANS support our continuing relationship with Israel - see the just released Zogby (an Arab btw) poll.

Some fringe types are whining, that is true.

491 posted on 12/29/2001 7:53:20 PM PST by veronica
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To: Texasforever
Circular reasoning, the government is wrong either way. Either the evil United States Government is trying to "frame" old Bin or they are not. Which is it?

You are really going to suggest that these are the only available choices? I'm sorry but my skepticism in the truth telling capabilities of our government are not limited to "frame up or not to frame up." If you wish to limit your thinking to that kind of nonsense then be my guest but don't expect me to participate in it.

492 posted on 12/29/2001 7:55:07 PM PST by Demidog
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To: veronica
"There is nothing wrong per se with Israel and certainly not Jews...."

As long as his sister doesn't marry one, no doubt.

493 posted on 12/29/2001 7:56:58 PM PST by Roscoe
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To: veronica
Oh gee mighty open minded there LOL.

Leave it to you to immediatley insinuate the anti-Semite angle.

494 posted on 12/29/2001 7:57:11 PM PST by Demidog
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To: Demidog
I'm sorry but my skepticism in the truth telling capabilities of our government are not limited to "frame up or not to frame up."

Ok, what are the other "choices" that you have in mind.

495 posted on 12/29/2001 7:58:13 PM PST by Texasforever
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To: Roscoe
Troll. If I hadn't had said something explicitly noting I had nothing against Jews or Israel you race-baiters would be claiming I wasn't forthcoming in my support of Jews and thus an anti-Semite. You are worse than the Reverend Jesse.
496 posted on 12/29/2001 7:59:41 PM PST by Demidog
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To: Texasforever
Ok, what are the other "choices" that you have in mind.

Think for yourself.

497 posted on 12/29/2001 8:00:19 PM PST by Demidog
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To: blackbirtch
What have the Swiss contributed to the world in the last 500 years?

Expensive, high-quality watches and gourmet chocolates, to name two.

498 posted on 12/29/2001 8:01:14 PM PST by Mark Turbo
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To: exodus
I can say exactly what I would be looking for.

I would be looking for what a policeman
would be looking for after getting a search warrant.

I would be looking for evidence
to support the charges levied
against the Clinton administration.

What charges have been levied?

499 posted on 12/29/2001 8:01:22 PM PST by RGSpincich
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To: Demidog
Think for yourself.

I am interested in what you think and why you think it. If you can't defend your own vanity post then why did you post it?

500 posted on 12/29/2001 8:02:28 PM PST by Texasforever
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