Posted on 12/29/2001 9:27:49 AM PST by Demidog
Great thread and posts, Demidog, Tex-oma, et. al. I've wondered this for a long time. We should have never lent money in the first place or withheld from ever loaning again once it was obvious they couldn't repay. And propping up governments that don't offer their people the freedoms we offer ours is nutty, too.
And there is smoething unusual about that? When the system works on one's favor, one applauds it. When it doesn't, it's broken.
In the last century, if one were to say that the system was broken, one would be corrcect most of the time.
It seems like both parties would rather collect and spend money for all kinda things that isn’t included in their job description so I’m not sure if they have any time left for the things that are included. Also, it should be casual to the most obvious observer that somebody wasn’t doing their job before 9-11.
I mean when you have more illegal aliens in your country than you can shake a stick at…… tain’t the State’s job to control the borders. Well, except for California and they keep all alien fruit out. They got a lot of illegal Mexicans but zero, zip, nada illegal alien fruit. Maybe if we put out the word that Arabs and Mexicans carried fruit flies………better not do that or UBL will use it to attack our economy.
Anyway, I think you’ll have to admit that when the government performs so poorly on things that you are aware of, it’s hard to have confidence that they are doing any better on the things that you can’t know about on account of it might do something terrible to national security if you did know about it. I believe that would include the pursuit of “the national interest” around the world.
While I don’t think that our foreign police played that bigga role in the 9-11 attack, it might have though because conducting foreign policy is part of the National/Federal Government’s job description so they can’t spend a lot of time and effort on that kinda stuff cause it don‘t win elections.
Naw, I’m sorry but I just can’t see where saying that the National/Federal Government has been doing and continues to do everything except their job (Defense, Foreign Policy, etc. Especially during the last administration) is being un’Murican.
Interventionism goes against the warnings of the Father of our country.
I never claimed it was a lie. I do question the accuracy of your cite. The source is probably just as biased and ready to believe anything that supports the argument as you are. You claim to know exactly how the Shah was put in power and exactly how the Iranain people felt about him and the U.S. I don't believe you can accurately know that.
You have to claim that it is accurate to justify your opinion. Just because you have an opinion doesn't make it correct.
--- Which is exactly what most who argue against the present policy point out, ad nauseum. You apparently, are oblivious to the fact that our policy is designed to PROTECT the 'system', not our constitutional interests.
But these attempts to strip foreign policy from the domesic agenda is red herring argument. They are wholly and completely intertwined.
-- Again, you belabor the obvious. They should not be so intertwined. This tangled web is of our own political making. Patriots since the beginning of the republic have warned of weaving it, that we would pay a price.
We did.
OK. From that perspective I can agree. But you would be better off arguing against the income tax than foreign aid. As long as my income is going to be taken from me by force (an argument I can agree with) then I am going to defend the use of that money in areas that are going to improve the system for our way of life and my personal prosperity. If we can abolish the income tax, end the war on drugs, and privatize social security, I would be more willing to scrutinize foreign aid and domestic subsidies. But picking on the child (foreign aid) of the father (the income tax) is a silly way to go about it.
Doesn't matter. It was given to the Taliban without our consent.
It's another welfare program. Why can't they buy their own weapons?
How the Shah was put in power is a historical fact. We forced his father in to exile and helped to keep him in power after WWII was over.
Agreed.
Maybe a new FR saying can be created,
Thou shall not reply until I've read all the replies on a thread
Oops I forgot, you are a Libertarian and are instantly insulted and revolted at any sentence that begins with,
"Thou shall not"
I used to post frequently on FreeRepublic until it was overrun by warmongers, laptop bombadiers, Bush apologists and defenders of Aschroft's new police state. In a few short months, FreeRepublic has become the Un-FreeRepublic, a forum infested with Republican Party ideologues who can't be reasoned with and whose judgement is clouded by a blind devotion to "President Bush," their loveable messiah, flag waver and bomb-happy chief executive.
In twist of irony, Bush has managed to force upon this country a host of police state measures that his predecessor, liar-in-chief Bill Clinton, could only have dreamed of. Now we are engaged in the Orwellian equivalent of a perpetual war against perpetual terrorism -- the new enemy of distraction designed to strengthen and empower the state apparatus in Washington. Disguised as patriotism, state idolatry is on the rise and our constitutional rights (what's left of them) are being ravaged and trashed under th guise of state security.
I have no use for Bush or his phony war on terrorism, which, in truth, is an empire-building mission executed from the barrel of a gun. Somewhere in the middle of all the bombing and killing, Bush and his petroleum industry buddies are finalizing their plans to build a pipeline from the Caspian Sea basin, across Afghanistan to Karachi, Pakistan. With "the right" U.S. puppets now in power, they now can move forward with their plans.
I wonder how many of the pro-war-on-terrorism "patriots" on this forum realize that we've killed more than 3,700 innocent Afghan civilians since we started our bombing attacks. These were people like us, with mothers and fathers, sons and daughters, and friends and relatives. Not one of them had anything to do with the attacks on World Trade Towers and Pentagon. They are the most recent victims ("collateral damage" in Pentagon terms) of this country's arrogant, militaristic foreign policy. In its zeal to wipe out terrorism, our government itself has become a terrorist.
George W. Bush and his warmongering pals should be ashamed of themselves. They could have taken the high road, the moral road, and brought the terrorists -- the people who actually planned the bombing attacks -- to justice. Instead they issued outrageous demands and ultimatums (without providing any proof of Osama bin Laden's wrongdoing) and launched a bloodthirsty vendetta against an entire country and its citizens. What does bombing dams, power stations and news media outlets have to do with fighting terrorism?
Thanks, Demigod, for your post. You are a voice in the wilderness. It's sad that so many Freepers refuse to listen.
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