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To: nasamn777
The moderates seem to think that by playing the economic card the "hardline" mentality will fade with time. I don't think this will happen. In fact, I think the Chinese are intentionally leading us to believe this in order to further economic trade. China has always used deception in foreign policy.

A great deal of the hardline stuff has already been disentegrated over the past 20 yrs. The extent of what it will happen over the next 20 is what I am concerned about. I am of the impression that economics alone won't do it. For the last 20 yrs it was basically 'let economics run its course'. For the next 20 that alone won't work.

I think we should abandon the "one China" policy and recognize Taiwan. Why play games with China when they are currently preparing for war? It would be better to arm Taiwan so they are able to defend themselves in case we cannot immediately come to their aid.

One China is a fairy tale. Its a figment of the imagination and creative recreation of revisionist history.

I don't care if Taiwan is independent. Thats cool with me. What I don't want to see is an extended unresolved fight. An America-Canada relationship type thing would work for me.

If the Mainland thinks they are going to take Taiwan and not make any concessions, I don't think so. If they want to hurt 25 million innocent people just out of their own pride and to extend the power of the CCP, that is unacceptable.

The fight is not between "China" and Taiwan. It is between the CCP and people who don't want to submit to them.

I think we should defend Taiwan for sure and be real clear about it, in ways of laws and the like. We need a missile sheild all around Taiwan and across Asia.

23 posted on 12/29/2001 12:18:39 AM PST by super175
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To: super175
>>Oh yes they did. They tried to get America to agree to that as a precondition to cooperation on the war on terrorism.

As I know, China mentioned "Xinjiang terrorists" and "Taiwan separatists".

>>Yeah but it does mean disentigration of one party "Maoism/Marxism only" rule.

You don't think Maoism has already disentegrated?

>>There were times when multiple "Chinas" all existed at the same time.

There were times when multiple "states" existed in China. They were all in Chinese territory and part of Chinese history. Don't you think the history of "three kingdoms" is Chinese history?

>>The Qing is a ticket/excuse for the CCP doing absolutely anything they want.

Not only for the CCP. It was also for all Chinese governments after Qing, including the KMT.

>>A man named Michael Pillsbury wrote some excellent books including things on that topic of China viewing America as a 'power in decline'.

I don't think the majority of Chinese people, including the leadership will believe that.

>>An America-Canada relationship type thing would work for me.

America and Canada are two indenpendent countries, while the Mainland and Taiwan are separated due to the Chinese civil war between the CCP and the KMT.

>>If the Mainland thinks they are going to take Taiwan and not make any concessions, I don't think so.

China is offering "one country two systems".

>>If they want to hurt 25 million innocent people just out of their own pride and to extend the power of the CCP, that is unacceptable.

If it's the will of 1.3 billion people?

25 posted on 12/29/2001 12:19:13 AM PST by Lake
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To: super175
I don't think the hardline mentality has changed. The Communists realized they could not survive without changing and allowing economic reform. Some limited freedoms did materialize with the change, but freedoms today are limited. Also, I think the economic boom did bring additional freedoms to the people purely from practical reasons. The more money you have the more you are able to do. Still the mentality of the leadership (CCP) and many of the citizens who support the leadership is one of control and domination.

The issue of Taiwan is very sticky. I believe this issue will not be resolved and will continue to be a sore point with both US and China. China will modernize the military and wait until we have a weak president and they will suprise us with a sophisticated attack. This attack will focus on the key nodes of logistics, comunication and command. In addition, we may see surprises such as missiles launched from the Panama Canal. A sophisticated Information Warfare capability will be unvailed that will shutdown our command and control. Taiwan will be taken before we can blink an eye.
26 posted on 12/29/2001 12:19:14 AM PST by nasamn777
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