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To: super175
>>Taiwan is supposed to be a 'terrorist group'?

China didn't say that.

>>"China" cannot be lumped into one big single body all with the same opinion.

Different opinions don't mean disintegration of the territory.

>>The latter group are the only real reason to trade at all. I think those people should be in charge, which now they are only in limited numbers in positions of power.

The real reason why the US wants to trade with China is that the trade is in the American interets.

>>If China stops threatening people then they would not be threatened nearly as much.

The Qing dynasty was so weak that it in no way could threaten anyone. However it was constantly threatened by the foreign powers.

>>This group can end the conflict with Taiwan on equal and beneficial grounds.

If you mean "split Taiwan from China" by "end the conflict with Taiwan", I won't think you are right. That group wont do that either.

>>All this "we are going to surpass America and take over Asia" talk,

Who said that?

18 posted on 12/29/2001 12:18:31 AM PST by Lake
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To: Lake
China didn't say that.

Oh yes they did. They tried to get America to agree to that as a precondition to cooperation on the war on terrorism. I will look around here and try to find a news report of that...

Different opinions don't mean disintegration of the territory.

Yeah but it does mean disentigration of one party "Maoism/Marxism only" rule.

The real reason why the US wants to trade with China is that the trade is in the American interets.

America interests: #1. To get radical whackos who don't like America out of power, and to empower people who are friendly. We want to remove direct threats. You cannot accomplish this goal just by killing someone. One bad thing must be replaced by one good thing.

#2. After #1 is accomplished we are free to have as much people to people contact we want, learn, and then make money.

#2 does not proceed #1.

The Qing dynasty...

The Qing the Qing the Qing. China of the Qing is not China of the CCP. The word "China" does not refer to territory alone. It refers to the administrative rule of whoever the rulers are. Was the Qin dynasty the same territory as the Qing? NO. They were about 1/3 the size or smaller. Qin Shi Huang de 'zhong guo' refered to his feudal rule, not just his territory. It refered to his whole empire. When the Han came along, a new empire was born, and same with the Tang, the Ming or anyone else. The idea that "China" has always had the same borders that it has now is not true. There were times when multiple "Chinas" all existed at the same time.

America is not concerned about the Qing. Why not mention something in the last 50 years? The Qing is a ticket/excuse for the CCP doing absolutely anything they want.

China has a problem with this whole excuse thing.

>>All this "we are going to surpass America and take over Asia" talk,

Who said that?

Its been the talk for who knows how long. China's economy is going to surpass America's. America is in decline and China is on the rise...

There is an excellent resource. A man named Michael Pillsbury wrote some excellent books including things on that topic of China viewing America as a 'power in decline'.

22 posted on 12/29/2001 12:18:38 AM PST by super175
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