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To: 2nd_Amendment_Defender; College Repub; womanvet
2nd_Amendment_Defender: Thanks for posting this article - it has been bookmarked. I have never seen a more cogent analysis of why most of those who are anti-gun hold their views (which views I, like the author, view as emotionally or irrationally based). I was especially impressed by the analysis of the manner in which these neuroses develop, and how we can gradually take apart their defenses. This is, as was pointed out by someone else, also a good way to deal with liberals on other issues, liberals being, IMHO, mostly emotional and irrational by nature.

College Repub: I would like to address your characterization of what the author did as "ethnic bashing." Like you, I am also Jewish. My grandparents between them lost over 100 relatives, including siblings, nieces, nephews, aunts, uncles and first cousins. My wife's uncle is a Birkenau survivor who witnesses the murder of his father and brother in front of his eyes. I have at least as much reason to be concerned about "ethnic bashing" as you, yet: I read the same article, and I didn't find any such bashing. I believe that the author used the example of the 3 groups in question (Jews, Blacks and women) for a very specific reason, which reason was spelled out in the article. Put simply, outside of specific anti-gun organizations (e.g. the Brady jacka$$es and the Million Morons), these 3 groups have the most effective and strident anti-gun organizations out there. They have masterfully utilized the inherent tendencies of members of their particular groups to feel like victims to psychologically distort the thinking process of their constituents (or hosts, as I prefer to call them). The purpose: to raise money and to build/maintain political power for the organizations (parasites). The author was simply using the best real-life examples of what was being discussed, in order to illustrate the points that were being made. Nothing more and nothing less is going on here.

With regard to Jewish groups in particular, I think that the author was extremely mild and objective. If you haven't already, please visit the website for Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership (JPFO). This organization was founded specifically to disarm the "anti-Semite" argument that many Jews and Jewish organizations have used since the Holocaust for the purpose of defeating political opponents (specifically, those who were/are pro-gun). You will see some pretty biting (and truthful) attacks on the major Jewish organizations. By the way, JFPO is pro-gun, not just Jewish pro-gun, so it also attacks non-Jewish individuals and organizations for the same reasons.

I think that you should try to focus more on the main message that the author is trying to convey, rather than nitpick at a couple of phrases or examples. All of us who are pro-gun can learn a lot from this article, and do a lot more toward protecting our liberties, by looking at the entire forest instead of a couple of trees that we might not think are too attractive.

21 posted on 12/29/2001 12:19:16 AM PST by Ancesthntr
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To: Ancesthntr
Thanks for posting this article - it has been bookmarked. I have never seen a more cogent analysis of why most of those who are anti-gun hold their views...

Bookmarked here too. I hope it's made the round at the major gun sites. We need to better understand the irrational fears and irrational emotional disorders that drive the anti-gun nuts. I especially like the dysfuntional emotional gratification analysis.

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22 posted on 12/29/2001 6:37:33 AM PST by George W. Bush
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