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The Big Lie
Netanyahu.org ^ | -- | Sharon Nader Sloan, Esq., Lebanese-American

Posted on 12/27/2001 11:08:44 AM PST by College Repub

THE BIG LIE

Sharon Nader Sloan, Esq., Lebanese-American 16 Dec 2001

“The West Bank is occupied Palestinian land.” This phrase is repeated, as a given, by all the governments of the world and by the entire news media, etc., etc.

This idea that the West Bank is occupied Palestinian land has been accepted by almost everyone. Yet, it is, in fact, the greatest lie ever perpetrated on the whole of humanity.

If you think this is an outlandish statement please read on and decide for yourself.

Palestinians claim that Palestine is their land, and that Jerusalem is their capital, and that Israel is occupying their land. To resist occupation they have the right to send suicide bombers into crowded bus stations, pizza parlors, etc., and kill innocent men, women, and children. And all Arab and Muslin countries support them in their claims and actions against Israel.

Because of this occupation of Palestinian land by Israel, because of this crime committed against their Palestinian brothers, all Arabs hate Israel and want to destroy it.

To anyone who is familiar with the facts, and has an objective eye, all this must be fascinating. Because never before has a complete lie, on such a large scale, been so successful.

First, if Arab animosity toward Israel is based on their love and support for their Palestinian brothers, and in wanting their Palestinian brothers to have their own state, where was that love and support before the Jewish state existed? Where were they when the Kingdom of Jordan ruled Palestine? Why were they not accusing Jordan of occupying Palestinian land? Why did not the Arab world and the United Nations call on Jordan to stop occupying Palestinian land? Second, where were the Palestinians themselves, with all their grievances and claims, when Jordan occupied the whole West Bank, including Jerusalem?

Did you know that? Did you know that for 19 years Jordan occupied and ruled the whole West Bank, including Jerusalem? Why didn’t they clamor for a Palestinian state then?

All this time, did we hear a word about Palestine being occupied by the Kingdom of Jordan? Did we hear anything about a Palestinian state? Or about Jerusalem being the capital of Palestine? No, we did not. Why not?

Because there never existed a Palestinian state.

And in the entire history of nations, Jerusalem was never the capital of any country other than that of ancient Israel and modern Israel. So how can there be a claim on Jerusalem as the capital of a state that never existed?

One of the problems here is that so few people know the history of the world. Hence, lies and more lies, repeated often enough, are assumed to be facts.

I have heard many scholars, including an Arab journalist, question the very notion of a Palestinian people. What, they ask, makes a people? Well, there are four elements that define a people: language, religion, culture, and cuisine. For example, the Chinese and Japanese are both Oriental. Still, they are two different peoples, because they each have a different language, a different religion, a different culture, and a different cuisine.

The Palestinians speak the same language, follow the same religion, manifest the same culture, and eat the same cuisine as all the other Arabs. They are really Arabs who happen to live in a region called Palestine.

Palestine is not, and never was, the name of a country, or the name of a people.

It is the name of a region – just like Siberia is a region, not a country. There is no Siberian country, nor is there a Siberian people. It is a region. Just like the Sahara is a region, not a country. There is no Saharan country, nor is there a Saharan people. The Arabs living in that region are Libyans, Moroccans, etc., etc. It is a region.

Because Palestine is a region, not a country, England was able to carve out half of it and give it to the Arabs living on the other side of the Jordan River and call it the Kingdom of Jordan. Because Palestine is a region the United Nations was able to divide the rest of it between the Jews and the Arabs living there. Had the Arabs accepted the United Nations resolution there would have been a newly created Arab state called Palestine. Instead they rejected the United Nations compromise and went to war to destroy Israel. They lost the war. Hence, no Palestinian state.

Here are some cold facts.

King David built the city of Jerusalem, and King Solomon, David’s son, built the holy temple. This commonwealth of Israel lasted for a thousand years. There was only one break, when, 400 years after King David, the Babylonian invaders occupied the land for 70 years. Then, with the help of Cyrus the Great of Persia - yes, Persia - Israel came back to the land, rebuilt the temple, and ruled for another 600 years.

Then the Romans came and ruled the land, then the Crusaders ruled the land, then the Ottoman Empire ruled the land, then the British Empire ruled the land, then Israel returned to its homeland and built a modern Jewish state. It was never - repeat, never - a Palestinian state. So what is all this talk about occupied Palestinian land?

They certainly have a right to live there freely and happily. Nobody wants to move them away from their land. But from where comes the right for a Palestinian state? Is it because they live there?

Imagine, if the Mexican-American community in California, whose numbers are greater than the number of Palestinians in the West Bank, decides tomorrow to claim that the United States is occupying their land, because they live there and they want their own Mexican state. Imagine, if when the U.S. government says, “No, you can live here but you cannot have sovereignty, you cannot have your own state,” they start sending suicide bombers, shooters, mortars, etc., etc. into the rest of the country, what do you think would happen?

This is precisely why there was never any suggestion of a Palestinian state; not under the Romans, not under the Crusaders, not under the Turks, not under the English, and not under the Arab Kingdom of Jordan, not until after Israel was again established in its homeland.

I believe it is the big lie of our generation and we are all buying into it.

Whatever you believe, don’t you think these facts deserve to be raised when discussing Middle East policies?

Thank you for reading this paper.

Sharon Nader Sloan, Esq., Lebanese-American

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Good read.
1 posted on 12/27/2001 11:08:44 AM PST by College Repub
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To: College Repub
JORDAN: TRUE LAND OF THE "PALESTINIANS" (not the "West Bank")

- King Abdullah, at the Meeting of the Arab League, Cairo, 12th April 1948

- George Habash, leader of the PFLP section of the PLO, writing in the PLO publication Sha-un Falastinia, February 1970

- Prince Hassan, brother of King Hussein, addressing the Jordanian National Assembly, 2nd February 1970

- King Hussein, addressing the Jordanian National Assembly, 2nd February 1972

- King Hussein, quoted in An-Hahar, Beirut, 24th August 1972

- King Hussein, on Amman Radio, 3rd February 1973

- Hamdi Ken'an, former Mayor of Nablus, writing in the newspaper Al-Quds, 14th March 1973

- Sherif Al-Hamid Sharaf, Representative of Jordan at the UN Security Council, 11th June 1973

- Editorial Comment in the Jordanian Armed Forces' weekly, Al-Aqsa, Amman, 11th July 1973

- Past President Bourguiba of Tunisia, in a public statement, July 1973

- King Hussein, addressing an American Delegation, 19th February 1975

- Editorial Comment in the publication The Economist of 19th July 1975

- King Hussein, writing in his Memoirs

- Yassir Arafat, in a statement to Eric Roleau

- The Sunday newspaper The Observer of 2nd March 1976

- The Egyptian newspaper Al Ahram of 5th March 1976

- Farouk Kadoumi, head of the PLO Political Department, quoted in Newsweek, 14th March 1977

- From a commentary which was broadcast by Radio Amman, 30th June 1980

- Marwan al Hamoud, member of the Jordanian National Consultative Council and former Minister of Agriculture, quoted by Al Rai, Amman, 24th September 1980

- Richard Owen, in an article published in The Times, 14th November 1980

- Above Quotes researched by HMAVERIK.

2 posted on 12/27/2001 11:17:30 AM PST by Lent
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To: College Repub
This crap about "The Occupied Territories"is exactly that!The Palestinians belong in Jordan if anywhere.They are historically a nomadic people.The idea that their is such a place called Palestine was"Invented"by the British!!!!
3 posted on 12/27/2001 11:22:02 AM PST by bandleader
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To: College Repub
Great site BTTT
4 posted on 12/27/2001 11:24:17 AM PST by NativeNewYorker
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To: Lent
The links on your article don't seem to be working.
5 posted on 12/27/2001 11:28:01 AM PST by winslow
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To: winslow
Yeah, just click on the very last link, it does work. It's just mean't to be an outline. You can get the rest on the web site.
6 posted on 12/27/2001 11:30:41 AM PST by Lent
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To: College Repub
btt. I don't maintain my own bump lists since I rarely post an article. IF anyone has Israel/Arab bump lists, please bump
7 posted on 12/27/2001 11:37:13 AM PST by College Repub
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To: nobdysfool
bump
8 posted on 12/27/2001 11:41:01 AM PST by Frumanchu
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To: Lent
Thanks.
Some good articles.
9 posted on 12/27/2001 11:43:56 AM PST by winslow
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To: winslow
Hmmm. Looks like Freeman has started putting '95 and forward articles on their website. Too bad. I got this before their change.
10 posted on 12/27/2001 11:44:29 AM PST by Lent
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To: College Repub
Yet, it is, in fact, the greatest lie ever perpetrated on the whole of humanity.

Some people think the entire world is not only concerned about them but revolves around them.

11 posted on 12/27/2001 11:49:30 AM PST by LarryLied
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To: College Repub
This JUST arrived in my mailbox and after reading your post I can't help but post it. Here it is:

At the negotiating table, Prime Minister Sharon asks if he might first tell a story.

Yasser Arafat tells him to go ahead.

"When Moses was in the desert for forty years the Jews got very thirsty and Moses asked G-d for water and there appeared a beautiful lake. The Jews first drank and then bathed themselves.

Moses did the same but when he came out of the water his clothes were gone. Moses asked, "Where are my clothes? Who took them? The Jews answered "The Palestinians took them."

Arafat quickly objected saying, "There were no Palestinians at that time!"

The Prime Minister looked at Arafat, smiled, and said: " Now we can begin to negotiate"


12 posted on 12/27/2001 11:51:01 AM PST by WomanofStandard
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To: WomanofStandard
That's a classic.
13 posted on 12/27/2001 11:53:40 AM PST by College Repub
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To: Lent
Yeah but if Jordan is the true land of the Palis, then the Islamists in the mid-east can't use them for their anti-semitic propaganda. </sarcasm>
14 posted on 12/27/2001 12:00:18 PM PST by Brett66
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To: Brett66
btt
15 posted on 12/27/2001 12:31:55 PM PST by College Repub
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To: College Repub; yehuda
Great Bump
16 posted on 12/27/2001 12:39:49 PM PST by RaceBannon
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To: College Repub
"Imagine, if the Mexican-American community in California, whose numbers are greater than the number of Palestinians in the West Bank, decides tomorrow to claim that the United States is occupying their land, because they live there and they want their own Mexican state."

Actually, that IS exactly what happened to South Africa and the entire world ganged up against them and made them submit to the "black majority" who all had come from other African countries. Sort of like two lions and a lamb taking a vote on what to have for dinner!

17 posted on 12/27/2001 12:42:33 PM PST by nightdriver
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To: NativeNewYorker;bandleader;College Repub;Race Bannon;Lent;nightdriver;Brett66;womanofStandard...
Folks, if the Palestinians had been there for 3 months, if they are actually Eskimos, or Tutsi Tribesmen, or nomads, or Jordanians, THEY were the residents(tenants, freeholders, serfs, vassals, Bedouin, whatever) of the area the Zionists took over and occupied. At the time, there were only a few hundred thousand, if that many, in the whole country.

NO BIG DEAL!
Happens all the time. Italians take over Tyrol, Slovenians take over Pola and Dalmatia, Russians take Eastern Poland. Poles take Eastern Germany. Czechs and Slovaks break up. Latvians take back Latvia.

But taking over territorry, or even retaking territory that was once yours (Irrendentism), gives you a limited number of options on dealing with the people that are presently in residence, no matter how unfashionbable they might be, i.e., unlike you:

Choice No. 1: Genocide: Kill them off, root and branch. Been done. Not acceptable in the 21st Century. Whether it's Muslims killing Christians in Timor, Israelis rocketing Palestinians, Turks wiping out Armenians, Albanians bumping off Serbs; it's just not done by nice people nowadays.

Choice No. 2: You can recognize the present residents' property and legal rights according to Western codes of law amd live peacably with them. Ain't gonna happen. The 'Palestinians' are breeding faster than a jar full of fruit flies, and even within Israel itself, will soon outnumber Jewish Israelis. Somehow, I don't think they'll be voting to maintain a Zionist state.Besides, like in East Germany, who the hell could ever figure out who owns what now?

Choice No. 3: You can buy them off if they play nice: Like the Italians do the Austrians in the Tyrol and the English do to the Ulstermen: give them lower taxes and sweetheart deals on everything from rent to gasoline. Ain't gonna happen in Israel.

Choice No. 4: You can REALLY buy them off. Give every Palestinian head of household $150,000 (or more) and the deed to his new ranch elsewhere in the Islamic world which you have thoughtfully bought for him. Move him and his 18 rock-throwing, suicide-bombing kids out of the refugee camp, put them on the bus, fill their pockets with money. Just get them the hell out of Dodge. Once they are relocated, subsidize the hell out of them so they can't fail. Perfect job for the Saudis.

Need a model? Look how the French resettled the French colonists of Algeria. Bought them part of Corsica, and are subsidizing them to this day. By the way, it served the purpose of developing a pretty rough and unproductive part of France.

Here's the way I see it: First, wouldn't it be helpful to purge the Biblical and Armageddon-type rhetoric from the Palestinian/Israeli conflict and just solve the goddam problem?(Pun intended)

The "God" argument is a phony in this dispute. In the first place, Israelis are notorious among the more Orthodox for being 'secular.' In the second place, the Palestinians were regularly chastized by the rest of the Islamic world for the same thing.

There is a private movement underway in Israel right now to buy out Palestinian families, giving them fair market value for their properties and expediting their move (!) to the US. This highlights what in my humble opinion, went wrong from the beginning of Israel: i.e., there never was an official, coherent plan to compensate the Palestinians and/or resettle them. The blame for this can be shared between Israelis and the Arab world in any proportion. The fact is, it was never done properly. In point of historical fact, both Arabs and Israelis encouraged the Palestinians to flee.

I proposed that each Palestinian Head of Household be paid a substantial sum as compensation, and be given title to a homestead in another Islamic region. I propose Northwestern Iraq, which is not only very underpopulated,but has great mineral and agricultural potential, including developable water resources.

Instead of putting them on disjointed "Reservation" territories which will never support them, the Palestinians simply ought to be paid off and given another country. Iraq was founded as a geographical convenience by the British. No reason why we cannot re-arrange its arbitrary borders. No reason why the New Palestine could not be an autonomous province of Iraq. There are no end of 'thinking- out-of-the-box' solutions.

These two peoples can never share a country. For example, what do the Israelis reallyintend to do when the Palestinians inside a democratic Israel outnumber them?

Here's an analogy based on the real estate business: (which this dispute is, once you boil off the religiosity that infects, and is the weakest argument, of both sides,) One buys a slum apartment property. It is inhabited by very unfashionable, low-rent tenants. Before one rehabilitates the property, buyer and seller must agree on a plan to compensate and relocate those inconvenient tenants. Happens everyday in LA, NYC, Detroit. It's the law. Once the slum dwellers are paid off and gone, one is free to beautify, yuppify, and charge higher rents. The relocation part of a real estate deal is never easy, it's never pretty, but it's a necessity.

To do this on a vast scale in Israel, with the Palestinians breeding as they do, might cost $30 Billion. But it might be way to BUY peace. Put enough money on the table, and many things thought impossible become attractive.

Let's build another coalition. We pay, the Israelis pay, Arafat pays (he's worth $10 Billion in London Real Estate!)The Saudi's pay, the EC pays, and friends of Israel the world over chip in symbolic amounts. Afterwards, just like in any fair deal, there's never a question about who owns what. It's bought and paid for.

18 posted on 12/27/2001 2:08:52 PM PST by Francohio
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To: NativeNewYorker;bandleader;College Repub;Race Bannon;Lent;nightdriver;Brett66;womanofStandard...
Folks, if the Palestinians had been there for 3 months, if they are actually Eskimos, or Tutsi Tribesmen, or nomads, or Jordanians, THEY were the residents(tenants, freeholders, serfs, vassals, Bedouin, whatever) of the area the Zionists took over and occupied. At the time, there were only a few hundred thousand, if that many, in the whole country.

NO BIG DEAL!
Happens all the time. Italians take over Tyrol, Slovenians take over Pola and Dalmatia, Russians take Eastern Poland. Poles take Eastern Germany. Czechs and Slovaks break up. Latvians take back Latvia.

But taking over territorry, or even retaking territory that was once yours (Irrendentism), gives you a limited number of options on dealing with the people that are presently in residence, no matter how unfashionbable they might be, i.e., unlike you:

Choice No. 1: Genocide: Kill them off, root and branch. Been done. Not acceptable in the 21st Century. Whether it's Muslims killing Christians in Timor, Israelis rocketing Palestinians, Turks wiping out Armenians, Albanians bumping off Serbs; it's just not done by nice people nowadays.

Choice No. 2: You can recognize the present residents' property and legal rights according to Western codes of law amd live peacably with them. Ain't gonna happen. The 'Palestinians' are breeding faster than a jar full of fruit flies, and even within Israel itself, will soon outnumber Jewish Israelis. Somehow, I don't think they'll be voting to maintain a Zionist state.Besides, like in East Germany, who the hell could ever figure out who owns what now?

Choice No. 3: You can buy them off if they play nice: Like the Italians do the Austrians in the Tyrol and the English do to the Ulstermen: give them lower taxes and sweetheart deals on everything from rent to gasoline. Ain't gonna happen in Israel.

Choice No. 4: You can REALLY buy them off. Give every Palestinian head of household $150,000 (or more) and the deed to his new ranch elsewhere in the Islamic world which you have thoughtfully bought for him. Move him and his 18 rock-throwing, suicide-bombing kids out of the refugee camp, put them on the bus, fill their pockets with money. Just get them the hell out of Dodge. Once they are relocated, subsidize the hell out of them so they can't fail. Perfect job for the Saudis.

Need a model? Look how the French resettled the French colonists of Algeria. Bought them part of Corsica, and are subsidizing them to this day. By the way, it served the purpose of developing a pretty rough and unproductive part of France.

Here's the way I see it: First, wouldn't it be helpful to purge the Biblical and Armageddon-type rhetoric from the Palestinian/Israeli conflict and just solve the goddam problem?(Pun intended)

The "God" argument is a phony in this dispute. In the first place, Israelis are notorious among the more Orthodox for being 'secular.' In the second place, the Palestinians were regularly chastized by the rest of the Islamic world for the same thing.

There is a private movement underway in Israel right now to buy out Palestinian families, giving them fair market value for their properties and expediting their move (!) to the US. This highlights what in my humble opinion, went wrong from the beginning of Israel: i.e., there never was an official, coherent plan to compensate the Palestinians and/or resettle them. The blame for this can be shared between Israelis and the Arab world in any proportion. The fact is, it was never done properly. In point of historical fact, both Arabs and Israelis encouraged the Palestinians to flee.

I proposed that each Palestinian Head of Household be paid a substantial sum as compensation, and be given title to a homestead in another Islamic region. I propose Northwestern Iraq, which is not only very underpopulated,but has great mineral and agricultural potential, including developable water resources.

Instead of putting them on disjointed "Reservation" territories which will never support them, the Palestinians simply ought to be paid off and given another country. Iraq was founded as a geographical convenience by the British. No reason why we cannot re-arrange its arbitrary borders. No reason why the New Palestine could not be an autonomous province of Iraq. There are no end of 'thinking- out-of-the-box' solutions.

These two peoples can never share a country. For example, what do the Israelis reallyintend to do when the Palestinians inside a democratic Israel outnumber them?

Here's an analogy based on the real estate business: (which this dispute is, once you boil off the religiosity that infects, and is the weakest argument, of both sides,) One buys a slum apartment property. It is inhabited by very unfashionable, low-rent tenants. Before one rehabilitates the property, buyer and seller must agree on a plan to compensate and relocate those inconvenient tenants. Happens everyday in LA, NYC, Detroit. It's the law. Once the slum dwellers are paid off and gone, one is free to beautify, yuppify, and charge higher rents. The relocation part of a real estate deal is never easy, it's never pretty, but it's a necessity.

To do this on a vast scale in Israel, with the Palestinians breeding as they do, might cost $30 Billion. But it might be way to BUY peace. Put enough money on the table, and many things thought impossible become attractive.

Let's build another coalition. We pay, the Israelis pay, Arafat pays (he's worth $10 Billion in London Real Estate!)The Saudi's pay, the EC pays, and friends of Israel the world over chip in symbolic amounts. Afterwards, just like in any fair deal, there's never a question about who owns what. It's bought and paid for.

19 posted on 12/27/2001 2:08:54 PM PST by Francohio
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To: Francohio
I think you're preaching to the choir on this one. Paying them to move is quite reasonable. Unfortunetly, the Arabs are not reasonable.
20 posted on 12/27/2001 2:17:47 PM PST by Lent
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