The Big Lie

Good read.

JORDAN: TRUE LAND OF THE "PALESTINIANS" (not the "West Bank")

Concerning Palestine East Of The River Jordan
On August 23,1959, the Prime Minister of Jordan stated, "We are the Government of Palestine, the army of Palestine and the refugees of Palestine."
Each day brings me closer to the realization that Palestine, as it wants to exist within the boundary of Israel, and impose this view on the world community, is a farce... an imaginative place with imaginative people. History proves over and over again that JORDAN IS INDEED PALESTINE.
Here are several quotes from "officials" in the so-called Palestinian community. LET THEM SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES!!!!
"Palestine and Transjordan are one, for Palestine is the coastline and Transjordan the hinterland of the same country."

- King Abdullah, at the Meeting of the Arab League, Cairo, 12th April 1948

"Let us not forget the East Bank of the (River) Jordan, where seventy per cent of the inhabitants belong to the Palestinian nation."

- George Habash, leader of the PFLP section of the PLO, writing in the PLO publication Sha-un Falastinia, February 1970

"Palestine is Jordan and Jordan is Palestine; there is one people and one land, with one history and one and the same fate."

- Prince Hassan, brother of King Hussein, addressing the Jordanian National Assembly, 2nd February 1970

"There is no family on the East Bank of the river (Jordan) that does not have relatives on the West Bank ... no family in the west that does not have branches in the east."

- King Hussein, addressing the Jordanian National Assembly, 2nd February 1972

"We consider it necessary to clarify to one and all, in the Arab world and outside, that the PALESTINIAN PEOPLE with its nobility and conscience is to be found HERE on the EAST Bank (of the Jordan River), The WEST Bank and the Gaza Strip. Its overwhelming majority is HERE and nowhere else."

- King Hussein, quoted in An-Hahar, Beirut, 24th August 1972

"The Palestinians here constitute not less than one half of the members of the armed forces. They and their brothers, the sons of Transjordan, constitute the members of one family who are equal in everything, in rights and duties." (Quoted by BBC Monitoring Service)

- King Hussein, on Amman Radio, 3rd February 1973

"There are, as well, links of geography and history, and a wide range of interests between the two Banks (of the River Jordan) which have grown stronger over the past twenty years. Let us not forget that el-Salt and Nablus were within the same district - el-Balka - during the Ottoman period, and that family and commercial ties bound the two cities together."

- Hamdi Ken'an, former Mayor of Nablus, writing in the newspaper Al-Quds, 14^th March 1973

"The new Jordan, which emerged in 1949, was the creation of the Palestinians of the West Bank and their brothers in the East. While Israel was the negation of the Palestinian right of self-determination, unified Jordan was the expression of it."

- Sherif Al-Hamid Sharaf, Representative of Jordan at the UN Security Council, 11th June 1973

Past "President Bourguiba (of Tunisia) considers Jordan an artificial creation presented by Great Britain to King Abdullah. But he accepts Palestine and the Palestinians as an existing and primary fact since the days of the Pharaohs. Israel, too, he considers as a primary entity. However, Arab history makes no distinction between Jordanians, Syrians and Palestinians. Most of them hail from the same Arab race, which arrived in the region with the Arab Moslem conquest."

- Editorial Comment in the Jordanian Armed Forces' weekly, Al-Aqsa, Amman, 11^th July 1973

"With all respect to King Hussein, I suggest that the Emirate of Transjordan was created from oil cloth by Great Britain, which for this purpose cut up ancient Palestine. To this desert territory to the bast of the Jordan (River)., it gave the name Transjordan. But there is nothing in history which carries this name. While since our earliest time there was Palestine and Palestinians. I maintain that the matter of Transjordan is an artificial one, and that Palestine is the basic problem. King Hussein should submit to the wishes of the people, in accordance with the principles of democracy and self-determination, so as-to avoid the fate of his grandfather, Abdullah, or of his cousin, Feisal, both of whom were assassinated."

- Past President Bourguiba of Tunisia, in a public statement, July 1973

"The Palestinians and the Jordanians have created on this soil since 1948 one family - all of whose children have equal rights and obligations."

- King Hussein, addressing an American Delegation, 19th February 1975

"How much better off Hussein would be if he had been induced to abandon his pose as a benevolent 'host' to 'refugees' and to affirm the fact that Jordan is the Palestinian Arab nation-state, just as Israel is the Palestinian Jewish nation-state."

- Editorial Comment in the publication The Economist of 19th July 1975

"Palestine and Jordan were both (by then) under British Mandate, but as my grandfather pointed out in his memoirs, they were hardly separate countries. Transjordan being to the east of the River Jordan, it formed in a sense, the interior of Palestine."

- King Hussein, writing in his Memoirs

"...those fishing in troubled waters will not succeed in dividing our people, which extends to both sides of the (River) Jordan, in spite of the artificial boundaries established by the Colonial Office and Winston Churchill half a century ago."

- Yassir Arafat, in a statement to Eric Roleau

"Palestinian Arabs hold seventy-five per cent of all government jobs in Jordan."

- The Sunday newspaper The Observer of 2nd March 1976

"Palestinian Arabs control over seventy per cent of Jordan's economy."

- The Egyptian newspaper Al Ahram of 5th March 1976

"There should be a kind of linkage because Jordanians and Palestinians are considered by the PLO as one people."

- Farouk Kadoumi, head of the PLO Political Department, quoted in Newsweek, 14^th March 1977

"Along these lines, the West German Der Spiegel magazine this month cited Dr George Habash, leader of one of the Palestinian organizations, as saying that 70 per cent of Jordan's population are Palestinians and that the power in Jordan should be seized." (Translated by BBC Monitoring Service)

- From a commentary which was broadcast by Radio Amman, 30th June 1980

"Jordan is not just another Arab state with regard to Palestine but, rather, Jordan is Palestine and Palestine is Jordan in terms of territory, national identity, sufferings, hopes and aspirations, both day and night. Though we are all Arabs and our point of departure is that we are all members of the same people, the Palestinian-Jordanian nation is one and unique, and different from those of the other Arab states."

- Marwan al Hamoud, member of the Jordanian National Consultative Council and former Minister of Agriculture, quoted by Al Rai, Amman, 24th September 1980

"The potential weak spot in Jordan is that most of the population are not, strictly speaking, Jordanian at all, but Palestinian. An estimated 60 per cent of the country's 2,500,000 people are Palestinians ... Most of these hold Jordanian passports, and many are integrated into Jordanian society."

- Richard Owen, in an article published in The Times, 14th November 1980

"There is no moral justification for a second Palestine."
- The Freeman Center (September 3, 1993)

- Above Quotes researched by HMAVERIK.

This crap about "The Occupied Territories"is exactly that!The Palestinians belong in Jordan if anywhere.They are historically a nomadic people.The idea that their is such a place called Palestine was"Invented"by the British!!!!

Great site BTTT

The links on your article don't seem to be working.

Yeah, just click on the very last link, it does work. It's just mean't to be an outline. You can get the rest on the web site.

btt. I don't maintain my own bump lists since I rarely post an article. IF anyone has Israel/Arab bump lists, please bump

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Thanks.
Some good articles.

Hmmm. Looks like Freeman has started putting '95 and forward articles on their website. Too bad. I got this before their change.

Yet, it is, in fact, the greatest lie ever perpetrated on the whole of humanity.

Some people think the entire world is not only concerned about them but revolves around them.

This JUST arrived in my mailbox and after reading your post I can't help but post it. Here it is:

At the negotiating table, Prime Minister Sharon asks if he might first tell a story.
Yasser Arafat tells him to go ahead.
"When Moses was in the desert for forty years the Jews got very thirsty and Moses asked G-d for water and there appeared a beautiful lake. The Jews first drank and then bathed themselves.
Moses did the same but when he came out of the water his clothes were gone. Moses asked, "Where are my clothes? Who took them? The Jews answered "The Palestinians took them."
Arafat quickly objected saying, "There were no Palestinians at that time!"
The Prime Minister looked at Arafat, smiled, and said: " Now we can begin to negotiate"

That's a classic.

Yeah but if Jordan is the true land of the Palis, then the Islamists in the mid-east can't use them for their anti-semitic propaganda. </sarcasm>

btt

Great Bump

"Imagine, if the Mexican-American community in California, whose numbers are greater than the number of Palestinians in the West Bank, decides tomorrow to claim that the United States is occupying their land, because they live there and they want their own Mexican state."

Actually, that IS exactly what happened to South Africa and the entire world ganged up against them and made them submit to the "black majority" who all had come from other African countries. Sort of like two lions and a lamb taking a vote on what to have for dinner!

Folks, if the Palestinians had been there for 3 months, if they are actually Eskimos, or Tutsi Tribesmen, or nomads, or Jordanians, THEY were the residents(tenants, freeholders, serfs, vassals, Bedouin, whatever) of the area the Zionists took over and occupied. At the time, there were only a few hundred thousand, if that many, in the whole country.

NO BIG DEAL!
Happens all the time. Italians take over Tyrol, Slovenians take over Pola and Dalmatia, Russians take Eastern Poland. Poles take Eastern Germany. Czechs and Slovaks break up. Latvians take back Latvia.

But taking over territorry, or even retaking territory that was once yours (Irrendentism), gives you a limited number of options on dealing with the people that are presently in residence, no matter how unfashionbable they might be, i.e., unlike you:

Choice No. 1: Genocide: Kill them off, root and branch. Been done. Not acceptable in the 21st Century. Whether it's Muslims killing Christians in Timor, Israelis rocketing Palestinians, Turks wiping out Armenians, Albanians bumping off Serbs; it's just not done by nice people nowadays.

Choice No. 2: You can recognize the present residents' property and legal rights according to Western codes of law amd live peacably with them. Ain't gonna happen. The 'Palestinians' are breeding faster than a jar full of fruit flies, and even within Israel itself, will soon outnumber Jewish Israelis. Somehow, I don't think they'll be voting to maintain a Zionist state.Besides, like in East Germany, who the hell could ever figure out who owns what now?

Choice No. 3: You can buy them off if they play nice: Like the Italians do the Austrians in the Tyrol and the English do to the Ulstermen: give them lower taxes and sweetheart deals on everything from rent to gasoline. Ain't gonna happen in Israel.

Choice No. 4: You can REALLY buy them off. Give every Palestinian head of household $150,000 (or more) and the deed to his new ranch elsewhere in the Islamic world which you have thoughtfully bought for him. Move him and his 18 rock-throwing, suicide-bombing kids out of the refugee camp, put them on the bus, fill their pockets with money. Just get them the hell out of Dodge. Once they are relocated, subsidize the hell out of them so they can't fail. Perfect job for the Saudis.

Need a model? Look how the French resettled the French colonists of Algeria. Bought them part of Corsica, and are subsidizing them to this day. By the way, it served the purpose of developing a pretty rough and unproductive part of France.

Here's the way I see it: First, wouldn't it be helpful to purge the Biblical and Armageddon-type rhetoric from the Palestinian/Israeli conflict and just solve the goddam problem?(Pun intended)

The "God" argument is a phony in this dispute. In the first place, Israelis are notorious among the more Orthodox for being 'secular.' In the second place, the Palestinians were regularly chastized by the rest of the Islamic world for the same thing.

There is a private movement underway in Israel right now to buy out Palestinian families, giving them fair market value for their properties and expediting their move (!) to the US. This highlights what in my humble opinion, went wrong from the beginning of Israel: i.e., there never was an official, coherent plan to compensate the Palestinians and/or resettle them. The blame for this can be shared between Israelis and the Arab world in any proportion. The fact is, it was never done properly. In point of historical fact, both Arabs and Israelis encouraged the Palestinians to flee.

I proposed that each Palestinian Head of Household be paid a substantial sum as compensation, and be given title to a homestead in another Islamic region. I propose Northwestern Iraq, which is not only very underpopulated,but has great mineral and agricultural potential, including developable water resources.

Instead of putting them on disjointed "Reservation" territories which will never support them, the Palestinians simply ought to be paid off and given another country. Iraq was founded as a geographical convenience by the British. No reason why we cannot re-arrange its arbitrary borders. No reason why the New Palestine could not be an autonomous province of Iraq. There are no end of 'thinking- out-of-the-box' solutions.

These two peoples can never share a country. For example, what do the Israelis reallyintend to do when the Palestinians inside a democratic Israel outnumber them?

Here's an analogy based on the real estate business: (which this dispute is, once you boil off the religiosity that infects, and is the weakest argument, of both sides,) One buys a slum apartment property. It is inhabited by very unfashionable, low-rent tenants. Before one rehabilitates the property, buyer and seller must agree on a plan to compensate and relocate those inconvenient tenants. Happens everyday in LA, NYC, Detroit. It's the law. Once the slum dwellers are paid off and gone, one is free to beautify, yuppify, and charge higher rents. The relocation part of a real estate deal is never easy, it's never pretty, but it's a necessity.

To do this on a vast scale in Israel, with the Palestinians breeding as they do, might cost $30 Billion. But it might be way to BUY peace. Put enough money on the table, and many things thought impossible become attractive.

Let's build another coalition. We pay, the Israelis pay, Arafat pays (he's worth $10 Billion in London Real Estate!)The Saudi's pay, the EC pays, and friends of Israel the world over chip in symbolic amounts. Afterwards, just like in any fair deal, there's never a question about who owns what. It's bought and paid for.