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To: Wiley Sr
I thought that the Pharisees were strict followers of the letter of the law without comprehending the spirit. They expected everyone to follow all of the minutiae instead of trying to know or understand God. If you have a moment maybe you could fill me in further.
2 posted on 12/25/2001 10:52:52 AM PST by Libertarianize the GOP
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To: Libertarianize the GOP
>I thought that the Pharisees were strict followers of the letter of the law without comprehending the spirit. They expected everyone to follow all of the minutiae instead of trying to know or understand God.

Good summary.  Jesus said of them:  Mt 23:3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.

They were hypocrites, but the Lord said to do.  If there is a major error in today's religious leaders, it is that they promote false doctrines of easy believism and have stretched Grace like saranwrap over all sin and disobedience and people have been deceived into not obeying God.  There is a whole generation or two that has as a mainstay doctrine, "You can't tell me what to do!" like spoiled teenagers who never grew up.

Jude 1:4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.

6 posted on 12/25/2001 11:16:18 AM PST by 2sheep
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To: Libertarianize the GOP
Pharisees in the US? The Traditional politically correct and the new politically correct.

Both are noted for hypocrisy. That they are hypocrites does not mean that everything they preach is wrong. Some of what they preach is true. But their actions betray the truth. And thus the other half of what they preach is to spin a fog around their hypocrisy. Need examples?

My Roman Catholic church opposes abortion. The local church leaders focus on "peace, justice and non-violence". They claim to speak for the powerless who cannot speak for themselves. They denounce capital punishment for known guilty serial murderers. They denounce Bush and push Gore from the pulpit.

Yet these local church leaders never mention abortion, which is violence and injustice to the least powerful, most innocent members of our society. Roe v Wade did not say abortion was peaceful non-violence. Roe v Wade said that it was "justifiable homicide"...that the woman had a right to choose to commit this act of violence in the same way that people (used to) have the right to self-defense when self-defense is admittedly violent.

Lest pro-lifers be too comfortable in this exposure of the hypocrisy of "liberals", let it be known that many pro-lifers are just a hypocritical...albeit about some other inconsistent facet of their lives.

9 posted on 12/25/2001 11:31:13 AM PST by spintreebob
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To: Libertarianize the GOP
I thought that the Pharisees were strict followers of the letter of the law without comprehending the spirit. They expected everyone to follow all of the minutiae instead of trying to know or understand God. If you have a moment maybe you could fill me in further.

I believe YOU are correct. They worshiped the law and not the giver! This is not about Israel.

13 posted on 12/25/2001 12:05:05 PM PST by RnMomof7
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To: Libertarianize the GOP
I thought that the Pharisees were strict followers of the letter of the law without comprehending the spirit.

There were lots of Pharisees, including many who believed in Christ. Of the latter, the two named in the Gospels are Nicodemus and Joseph of Aramathea. Paul (Saul) was also a Pharisee and did not give up that title, even after he started evangelizing the Gentiles.

A Pharisee is a particular sect that believes G-d cares about our behavior. They started codifying and encouraging their behavioral approaches after the Babylonian Exile because they were concerned that apostasy had caused the Exile and wanted to avoid a repeat. As history has shown, they failed.

Jesus did attack the leaders of the Pharisees, although study of Pharisee and Jesus' own teaching styles suggest that Jesus Himself was a Pharisee. There was good and bad among Phariseeism and it appears that Jesus attempted to keep the good while rejecting the bad. Matthew 5:20 states (NIV):

For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.
This suggests that Jesus did not see Phariseeism as all bad.

Jesus attacked the Pharisees on two fronts. One was hypocracy. They called for certain behaviors but did not do them. In addition, they focused on trivial details of the Torah (Law) and ignored important provisions. The most striking example of this was their claim that you could declare your posessions "corban" (dedicated to G-d) and thereby avoid taking care of your parents. Thus, in Biblical language, "Pharisees" is a synonym for "hypocrites." Note that, when challenging the Pharisees, Jesus did not challenge their love of Torah. Rather, he challenged their incomplete approach to it. Matthew 23:23 "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices--mint, dill and cummin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law--justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former.' (Emphasis mine.) Pharisees were also known for going farther than the Torah required. For example, men were supposed to give the Sabbath over to the worship of the lord and do no labor. Labor hadn't been defined, but was clearly intended to focus on income-producing work. There had never been any law against healing on the Sabbath, nor preparing food such as picking grain for the purpose of eating it. Clearly the Pharisees were trying to put "fences" around Torah. They felt that, if they kept a stricter law than G-d called for, they could be sure that they wouldn't violate the law that G-d had established. If they stayed far away from the sin, they could make a mistake and still not sin. It's kind of like staying far away from the edge of a clif. You can still stumble and not fall over the edge.

Jesus condemned this focus on Torah itself. Torah was given so men could focus on G-d. Torah is a life-giving gift for the Christian as much as for the Jew. But the purpose of Torah is to give this life and to encourage people to live for G-d. The minute they start living for Torah they fail to live for G-d and defeat the purpose of Torah.

I hope this helps.

Shalom.

62 posted on 12/26/2001 10:43:04 AM PST by ArGee
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