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To: eazdzit;JeepInMazar

With the exception of John 1:1? [how many times does God have to repeat himself before one should believe it]   Isaiah 9:6: For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counseller, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
Here is a situation where Jesus claimed divinity, but his hearers did not believe him: John 8:57: Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?
58: Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
59: Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.  

It upset those people that heard (and disbelieved) Jesus so much that they immediately wanted to stone him because they knew at that moment he was claiming to be God.  Was Jesus lying to them?  They did not misunderstand what he intended to say to them:  Exodus 3:13 & 14: And Moses said unto God, Behold, when I come unto the children of Israel, and shall say unto them, The God of your fathers hath sent me unto you; and they shall say to me, What is his name? what shall I say unto them?  And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.

Regarding Matthew 10:28.... And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. [everlasting destruction--see below]
Hebrews 10:30: For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.
31: It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.  
In Mark 3:29 Jesus said damnation was eternal.
In Matthew 23:33 Jesus warned the scribes and Pharisees of the damnation of hell.
Matthew 25:41 Jesus spoke of everlasting fire, and in verse  46 he spoke of everlasting punishment.
II Thessalonians 1:8: In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9: Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;
Matthew 13:41: The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; [verse 42:] And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
To teach a doctrine that there is no hell (i.e. eternal damnation, everlasting punishment) for those who do not obey God is to deliver a false doctrine of great comfort and encouragement to all who want to live in disobedience, and it is not supported by the scriptures. .  By the way, JeepInMazar answered your question very well.


143 posted on 12/26/2001 8:18:29 AM PST by Texas Gal
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To: Texas Gal
Wonderfully said! The scriptures do the talking! Like I said in earlier posts, their minds are warped. They cannot see God in these verses. Their minds are closed. They will not address all those verses you have posted. I've seen them take the word "soul" in Genesis 2:7 and run to Strongs concordance to change it to "spirit". They do not believe man is a trinity, a body, a soul and a spirit. Even though Paul states so in I Thess. 5:23. They do not believe God is a trinity even though its stated in I John 5:7-8. They remove the end of that whole chapter. Praise God for His Holy Scriptures!!!!
145 posted on 12/26/2001 9:34:36 AM PST by a contender
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To: Texas Gal
I have no desire to address a multitude of scriputes all at once. We would just end up talking past each other.
If you want to preach to me, go ahead, I will not try to respond. Although I presume it would be ok to ask a question or two along the way. Ok?

I am hung up on Col 1:15, Rev 3:14, and Proverbs 8:22-25.

I am working on Col 1:15 right now. 28 out of 30 Bibles are in agreement in translating to one of the definitions for Strongs Greek Dictionary #3956. Do you know if the greek is in contention on this verse?

See post #244.

Cheers:^)

252 posted on 12/26/2001 5:57:29 PM PST by eazdzit
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To: Texas Gal
I have no desire to address a multitude of scriptures all at once. We would just end up talking past each other.
If you want to preach to me, go ahead, I will try to limit my responses to a question or two along the way. Ok?

I am working on Col 1:15 right now. 28 out of 30 Bibles are in agreement in translating to one of the definitions for Strongs Greek Dictionary #3956. See post #244.

Do you know if the greek is in contention on this verse?

Cheers:^)

253 posted on 12/26/2001 6:03:25 PM PST by eazdzit
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