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Vatican Condemns Israel’s Ban on Arafat’s Travels to Bethlehem
IsraelNationalNews.com ^ | 18:43 Dec-24-01, 9 Tevet 5762 | staff

Posted on 12/24/2001 8:36:44 AM PST by KQQL

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To: hogwaller
You spelled my freep name wrong in your absurdity of the season.
141 posted on 12/25/2001 7:17:41 AM PST by weikel
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To: sakic
Oh really? I have a lot of respect for many leaders of other religions who have a clearly holy nature. But then, I don't consider myself a devout follower of any particular religion anyway. Besides, you can have respect for someone without sharing all or even most of their views, can't you?
142 posted on 12/25/2001 7:40:25 AM PST by StolarStorm
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To: BenF
ROTFLMAO..... right back at you. Must be lonely in your hate filled world.
143 posted on 12/25/2001 7:45:34 AM PST by StolarStorm
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To: StolarStorm
Must be lonely in your hate filled world.

I doubt that you'll ever stop projecting your emotions onto me so I won't even ask. But given your ranting and raving, I fail to understand what you have to laugh about.

144 posted on 12/25/2001 8:08:12 AM PST by BenF
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To: StolarStorm
BTW, if you want a clue as to my "hate-filled world", check out my post #109.
145 posted on 12/25/2001 8:09:35 AM PST by BenF
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To: StolarStorm
More of my "hate":

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/596287/posts

It's so much fun proving you wrong over and over again. Hopefully, one day it'll sink in.

146 posted on 12/25/2001 8:14:12 AM PST by BenF
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To: a_witness
It is a biblical, generic term.

Please...."deception of the Gentiles" is a biblical, generic term?

Perhaps 6 nations in the entire world stand with Israel.

Israel does not always do the right thing. For example, taking an unrepentent mass murderer and whitewashing his crimes in the eyes of the world allowed those who hate the Jews an excuse to increase their hatred.

Well over a hundred and the vast majority of the nations hate Israel and would see her completely destroyed in favor of a Palestinian state in her place.

And? This gives you license to refer to the "deception of the Gentiles"? Would you like it if someone referred to the "deception of the Jews"? I doubt it. Yet, when speaking of the Peresite or his imps, is there some other word that could be used?

What possible purpose could you have for using such a phrase?

It is the truth.

No, it's not. Nor will it do anything for you. Whatever message you have will be overshadowed by this. Now, I grant you there are people here in FR who do not deserve even the slightest amount of respect. Disguising themselves as unbiased individuals while bashing Israel to their hearts content. But they don't represent all non-Jews. Baruch HaShem.

147 posted on 12/25/2001 8:22:10 AM PST by BenF
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To: Alberta's Child
One of the things you have to remember is that the Vatican has been involved in ongoing negotiations with Israel over several decades on a diplomatic level. The Vatican had received a lot of criticism for its refusal to recognize Israel as a state, but the truth was that Israel simply did not meet all of the conditions that the Vatican has in place before it recognizes a nation. One of these conditions is that the nation in question must have clearly-defined borders, and another condition is that the nation's capital cannot be situated in disputed territory. The first issue is the reason why the Vatican has always supported the notion of a Palestinian state, and the second issue is the reason why the Vatican will not accept Jerusalem as Israel's capital.

Thanks, that explains it, "One of these conditions is that the nation in question must have clearly-defined borders, and another condition is that the nation's capital cannot be situated in disputed territory. ", rome doesn't hold to Biblical Truth, therefore they do not accept that God promised Israel to the Jews, and because of that Jerusalem IS NOT disputed territory as far as the Jewish right to it is concerned.

148 posted on 12/25/2001 8:23:00 AM PST by Unbeliever
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To: sakic
Arafat condemns terrorism too.

Your statement conveys no relevant information as a reply to my post, unless you meant to compare Arafat to the Pope and imply that the Pope is disingenuous.

149 posted on 12/25/2001 9:14:50 AM PST by madrussian
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To: BenF
Please...."deception of the Gentiles" is a biblical, generic term?

The gentiles = nations = HaGoyim

Maybe if we ignore them they will leave us and our children in peace ? I think not.

Israel does not always do the right thing.

I grant you that understatement.

And? This gives you license to refer to the "deception of the Gentiles"? Would you like it if someone referred to the "deception of the Jews"? I doubt it.

Okay, I'll use deception of the nations, the united nations.

Shimon Peres is the FM of Israel and I will not utter a word against him personally. I think he is wrong but he has plenty of skin in the game and the voters of Israel are responsible for him.

What possible purpose could you have for using such a phrase?

It is the truth. The nations are gathering against the God of Israel and the people of Israel. There is a great deception underway, so much so that almost all will turn against Israel. I hope and pray G-d that America will not be among those nations, although some Americans are already numbered with them. The serve the evil ones that President Bush refers to.

Now, I grant you there are people here in FR who do not deserve even the slightest amount of respect. Disguising themselves as unbiased individuals while bashing Israel to their hearts content. But they don't represent all non-Jews.

Unfortunately, they represent most of the nations, but not yet in America, not yet. Baruch HaShem.

After the Holocaust and the response of the nations then you should, of course, have no illusions. Our fate is in the hands of G-d, and it is by his promise and his mercy that we are not consumed.

150 posted on 12/25/2001 10:51:11 AM PST by a_witness
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To: StolarStorm
You can respect them but the truth is they don't transcend religions with their "greatness".
151 posted on 12/25/2001 1:59:55 PM PST by sakic
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To: sakic
You can't think of any great leaders from other religions at all? ok.... Thats a little insular and limiting.... but your choice...
154 posted on 12/25/2001 5:33:54 PM PST by StolarStorm
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To: hogwaller
How dare you compare Sharon to Arafat he did not order the massacre by the Christian militia.
155 posted on 12/25/2001 6:12:47 PM PST by weikel
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To: BenF; Yehuda
OK.. That was a very nice post. The problem is I've read many of your posts and you seem to be very quick to label people as anti-Jewish or anti-Israel... not always directly. You (and others) accuse people of being racist... anti-Semitic... whatever, and yet at the same time you have no problem criticizing the actions of Muslims, Poles and Catholics. It all seems very hypocritical to me. State a negative about Israel or some in the Jewish community and its anti-Semitic... but attack non Jews and that's just fine in your book.

That's just how appears to me... and I suspect to many on this forum. But to be fair... I don't think you're the worst fanatic on FR and my comments have been really directed at several others as well... and you know who they are. My response to you was partially fueled by the absolute brutalization I received on another thread of which I participated..... the one which stated that any criticism of Israel was equivalent to anti-Semitism. Of course that's absurd and anyone who isn't a complete fanatic knows that. I just can't imagine how anyone could actually believe that kind of barbaric nonsense. Hell, if that were true how could anyone ever have a stimulating conversation about it. Its not very interesting when everyone just agrees with everything in a conversation... So much for a college course on Israel.

You have to remember that not all of us on this forum have a personal stake in Israel as you and a few others appear to have. When I make a statement that may seem negative ... its just something to discuss... not an opening salvo in a war. Its a bit of a shock when such an insignificant (as I believed) comment is met with all kinds of attacks, insults, and charges of anti-Semitism. You and some of the others on this forum should be glad that some of us are even interested in your favorite topic... It gives you someone to argue with. Just lay off on the insulations ok? Its not playing nice.

156 posted on 12/25/2001 6:13:09 PM PST by StolarStorm
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To: weikel
I read a review not too long ago that estimated the Inquisition dead at less than 5000. The Crusades dead was much higher, perhaps more than 150000.

These are the highest death tolls attributable to the Church itself. One can try to add on wars that were fought between or by so-called "christian" nations, but we're really not dealing with religious wars. Instead, they reflect state to state animosity....England/Spain comes to mind.

Far higher death tolls, of course, are attributable to the 20th century socialist ideologies -- Fascism and Communism. Fascism is responsible for a minimum of 10 MILLION. Communism, represented by Stalin, Mao, and Pohl Pot, dwarfs fascism with death tolls above 100 million.

Obviously, the Church comes no where near the accusation that is leveled by the poorly read: "more lives have been lost in the cause of religion than anything else in all of history." The charge is poppycock and promulgated by the anti-christian crowd out there.

157 posted on 12/25/2001 6:23:49 PM PST by xzins
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To: xzins
Communism has the highest body count but the Hapsburgs killed millions with church support( the 30's years war the massacres in Spains colonies the attempt to force Catholicism on the Dutch).
158 posted on 12/25/2001 6:31:35 PM PST by weikel
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To: xzins
Communism required blind faith of its adherants it had the characteristics of a religion without a god.
159 posted on 12/25/2001 6:32:46 PM PST by weikel
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To: StolarStorm
insulations = insinuations. Damn spell check and damn dyslexia.
160 posted on 12/25/2001 6:41:53 PM PST by StolarStorm
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