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To: 4ConservativeJustices
Justice Stevens, joined by Justices Breyer, Ginsberg, and Souter, and with Justice Kennedy in a separate concurrance, makes it perfectly clear that the states retain the rights they enjoyed prior to ratification - UNLESS that right was delegated to the newly created federal government:

Then you must also give credence to Chief Justice Marshall.

"The subject is the execution of those great powers on which the welfare of a nation essentially depends. It must have been the intention of those who gave these powers, to insure, as far as human prudence could insure, their beneficial execution. This could not be done by confining their choice of means to such narrow limits as not to leave it in the power of Congress to adopt any which might be approprate, and which were conducive to the end...to have prescribed the means by which the government, should, in all future times, execute its powers, would have been to change, entirely, the character of the instrument, and give it the properties of a legal code...To have declared, that the best means shal not be used, but those alone, without which the power given would be nugatory...if we apply this principle of construction to any of the powers of the government, we shall find it so pernicious in its operation that we shall be compelled to discard it..."

From McCullough v. Maryland, quoted in "American Constittutional Law" A.T. Mason, et al. ed. 1983 p. 165

And:

"That the United States form, for many, and for most important purposes, a single nation, has not yet been denied. In war, we are one people. In making peace, we are one people. In all commercial regulations, we are one and the same people. In many other respects, the American people are one; and the government which is alone capable of controlling and managing their interests in all these respects, is the government of the Union. It is their government and in that character, they have no other. America has chosen to be, in many respects, and in many purposes, a nation; and for all these purposes, her government is complete; to all these objects it is competent. The people have declared that in the exercise of all powers given for these objects, it is supreme. It can, then, in effecting these objects, legitimately control all individuals or governments within the American territory. The constitution and laws of a state, so far as they are repugnant to the constitution and laws of of the United States are absolutely void. These states are constituent parts of the United States; they are members of one great empire--for some purposes sovereign, for some purposes subordinate."

--Chief Justice John Marshall, writing the majority opinion, Cohens v. Virginia 1821

I don't see how you can quote justices now--and ignore justices from the past;.

I don't ever even quote Texas v. White on the basis that it post ACW. I don't think you should either.

Walt

420 posted on 01/04/2002 7:14:38 AM PST by WhiskeyPapa
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To: WhiskeyPapa
Texas v. White - the argument for a perpetual Union - LOL.

The cases you cite are in reference to the federal government vs state government - one a case recognizing the power to create a national bank, the second a case affirming that the state laws and constutions - when in conflict with federal laws and the US Constition - are null and void.. 

In McCullough v MarylandChief Justice Marshall also stated,

"No political dreamer was ever wild enough to think of breaking down the lines which separate the States, and of compounding the American people into one common mass. Of consequence, when they act, they act in their States." 

The states, all 13 of them, created the federal government, and gave to it certain powers.  The creation of this new government did not destroy the states, it was instituted primarily as a means of protection from invasion.  Read the Federalist Papers, it's probably the most often cited reason for the new government.   Marshall further states,

We admit, as all must admit, that the powers of the Government are limited, and that its limits are not to be transcended. But we think the sound construction of the Constitution must allow to the national legislature that discretion with respect to the means by which the powers it confers are to be carried into execution which will enable that body to perform the high duties assigned to it in the manner most beneficial to the people. Let the end be legitimate, let it be within the scope of the Constitution, and all means which are appropriate, which are plainly adapted to that end, which are not prohibited, but consist with the letter and spirit of the Constitution, are Constitutional.

This case is about federal power - not state powers.  Also in Cohens v. Virginia, Marshall states,

"These states are constituent parts of the United States; they are members of one great empire--for some purposes sovereign, for some purposes subordinate." 

In other words, to carry out the objectives of the federal government, the federal Constitution is supreme.  And when state powers (not conflicting with federal) are exercised, the states are supreme.

As Chief Justice Marshall explained, "it was neither necessary nor proper to define the powers retained by the States. These powers proceed, not from the people of America, but from the people of the several States ; and remain, after the adoption of the constitution, what they were before, except so far as they may be abridged by that instrument." Sturges v. Crowninshield, 4 Wheat. 122, 193 (1819).

I am quoting justices from the past.  

423 posted on 01/04/2002 9:21:08 AM PST by 4CJ
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