[WhiskeyPapa]

The 14th amendment as written would have never existed if the slave holders hadn't so determined to hold on to their property.

The 13th was the one that abolished slavery.

My point still holds; without so-called secession, and treason, the 14th amendment, as written, would never have existed.

Walt

[H.Akston]

My point still holds; without so-called secession, and treason, the 14th amendment, as written, would never have existed.

Your point holds nothing, if you're trying to blame the South for the 14th Amendment! That's like blaming the kids in Tienneman square for the Chicoms' unjust use of deadly force!
The 14th Amendment was a needless vindictive measure calculated contrived and consumated entirely by the Yankee Congress in violation of Article V. Their actions, in promulgating that illegitimate property-grabbing escape hatch from the 5th Amendment were far more treasonous than slavery was.