Does this mean that you wish to discuss the secession of the ratifying States from the so-called ‘perpetual union’ formed under the Articles of Confederation? No? How about the palpably unconstitutional Alien and Sedition Acts – which were enforced by federal judges? I thought not. What was it, again, that you were saying about "the whole record? And what were you saying about ‘cherry picking?’
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To: donmeaker
Under the terms of the 10th Amendment, powers not delegated or prohibited by the Constitution are reserved to the States or the people of the States - and the Constitution nowhere delegates or prohibits secession. 'So: there. No legal foundation to oppose secession. End of story.' As Harvard history professor William Gienapp recently noted, "the proponents of secession had a strong constitutional argument, probably a stronger argument than the nationalists advanced"...;>)
57 posted on 12/24/01 2:36 PM Pacific by Who is John Galt? You perverted the record to suit yourself. Your position is absurd. No one with an open mind will see anything else.
Can your “open mind” see this?
WE the Delegates of the People of the State of New York... Do declare and make known... That the Powers of Government may be reassumed by the People, whensoever it shall become necessary to their Happiness; that every Power, Jurisdiction and right, which is not by the said Constitution clearly delegated to the Congress of the United States, or the departments of the Government thereof, remains to the People of the several States, or to their respective State Governments...
Does your “open mind” recognize the genesis of the Tenth Amendment? What does your “open mind” make of this?
We the Delegates of the People of the State of Rhode-Island, and Providence Plantations... do declare and make known; In That there are certain natural rights, of which men when they form a social compact, cannot deprive or divest their posterity... That the powers of government may be reassumed by the people, whensoever it shall become necessary to their happiness:- That the rights of the States respectively, to nominate and appoint all State Officers, and every other power, jurisdiction and right, which is not by the said constitution clearly delegated to the Congress of the United States or to the departments of government thereof, remain to the people of the several states, or their respective State Governments to whom they may have granted the same; and that those clauses in the said constitution which declare that Congress shall not have or exercise certain powers, do not imply, that Congress is entitled to any powers not given by the said constitution...
Based on your posts here, it appears that your “open mind” interprets such documents as the ratifying “almost unlimited” power for the federal government. Obviously, your “open mind” needs help.
You've got some brass, posting your own lies in a new note.
“Lies?” (You really are a comedian, aren’t you?) Are you suggesting that James Madison did not state the following in his Federalist No. 39?
"...(T)his assent and ratification is to be given by the people, not as individuals composing one entire nation, but as composing the distinct and independent States to which they respectively belong...[an] act of the people, as forming so many independent States, not as forming one aggregate nation..."
“Get used to seeing this.”
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This is part of section 13 of the Judiciary Act of 1789...
Are you suggesting that a simple act of Congress. such as the “Judiciary Act of 1789,” can take precedence over the Constitution itself? If so, why did the Founders include Article V? Any reservation of rights under the Tenth Amendment is completely and utterly unaffected by your “Judiciary Act of 1789.” To modify or repeal the Tenth Amendment requires another constitutional amendment, not an act of Congress.
It's too bad that the hateful ignorant people like yourself feel compelled to post, while so many of the real Americans see fit to only lurk.
How amusing: you were the one who went trolling for a debate when you started this thread. When you get it, you start throwing insults. As for “real Americans,” I find it quite entertaining when you post veiled threats regarding federal arrest – apparently because those with whom you disagree quote Thomas Jefferson and James Madison...
Happy New Year’s, Walt!
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You know that's false. The Constitution says that the Constitution, and the laws passed in pursuance, shall be the supreme law of the land.
You don't fool anybody who doesn't want to be fooled.
Walt