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To: WhiskeyPapa
God vindicated Abraham Lincoln and the brave men who came forward to preserve the union established by the framers.

'Might makes right,' eh? Or is it 'Might - and a compliant judiciary - makes right?'

;>)

325 posted on 01/01/2002 2:31:29 PM PST by Who is John Galt?
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To: Who is John Galt?
'Might makes right,' eh? Or is it 'Might - and a compliant judiciary - makes right?'

To whom was Chief Justice Jay being compliant when he wrote:

"Here we see the people acting as the sovereigns of the whole country; and in the language of sovereignty, establishing a Constitution by which it was their will, that the state governments should be bound, and to which the State Constitutions should be made to conform. Every State Constitution is a compact made by and between the citizens of a state to govern themeselves in a certain manner; and the Constitution of the United States is liekwise a compact made by the people of the United States to govern themselves as to general objects, in a certain manner."

Chief Justice John Jay, 1793

Or Chief Justice Marshall:

"That the United States form, for many, and for most important purposes, a single natiion, has not yet been denied. In war, we are one people. In making peace, we are one people. In all commercial regulations, we are one and the same people. In many other respects, the American people are one; and the government which is alone capable of controlling and managing their interests in all these respects, is the government of the Union. It is their government and in that character, they have no other."

Chief Justice John Marshall, 1821

Or Justice Story:

The constitution of the United States was ordained and established, not by the states in their sovereign capacities, but emphatically, as the preamble of the constitution declares, by "the people of the United States."

--Justice Story, 1816

You cherry pick the record and takes what suits you, or just pervery the record to suit yourself:

To: donmeaker

Under the terms of the 10th Amendment, powers not delegated or prohibited by the Constitution are reserved to the States or the people of the States - and the Constitution nowhere delegates or prohibits secession. 'So: there. No legal foundation to oppose secession. End of story.' As Harvard history professor William Gienapp recently noted, "the proponents of secession had a strong constitutional argument, probably a stronger argument than the nationalists advanced"...;>)

57 posted on 12/24/01 2:36 PM Pacific by Who is John Galt?

You perverted the record to suit yourself. Your position is absurd. No one with an open mind will see anything else.

Walt

328 posted on 01/02/2002 1:39:01 AM PST by WhiskeyPapa
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