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The real rebels are the corrupt pc yankees who are running the government contrary to the intention of the Founding Fathers and the Constitution. These rebels who are running the government are the real traitors.

Well, here's the intention of one Framer:

"What stronger evidence can be given of the want of energy in our government than these disorders? If there exists not a power to check them, what security has a man of life, liberty, or property? To you, I am sure I need not add aught on this subject, the consequences of a lax or inefficient government, are too obvious to be dwelt on. Thirteen sovereignties pulling against each other, and all tugging at the federal head, will soon bring ruin to the whole; whereas a liberal, and energetic Constitution, well guarded and closely watched, to prevent encroachments, might restore us to that degree of respectability and consequence, to which we had a fair claim, and the brightest prospect of attaining..."

George Washington to James Madison November 5, 1786,

having said prior to the Constitutional Convention:

"I do not conceive we can exist long as a nation, without having lodged somewhere a power which will pervade the whole Union in as energetic a manner, as the authority of the different state governments extends over the several states. To be fearful of vesting Congress, constituted as that body is, with ample authorities for national purposes, appears to me to be the very climax of popular absurdity and madness."

George Washington to John Jay, 15 August 1786

"In all our deliberations on this subject we kept steadily in our view, that which appears to us the greatest interest of every true American, the consolidation of our Union, in which is involved our prosperity, felicity, safety, perhaps our national existance. This important consideration, seriously and deeply impressed on our minds [at the constitutional convention] led each State in the convention to be less rigid on points of inferior magnitude...the constitution, which we now present, is the result of of a spirit of amity, and of that mutual deference and concession which the peculularity of our political situation rendered indispensible."

George Washington to the Continental Congress September 17, 1787

George Washington was a southerner, and he was for a strong national union.

I ask this over and over, and it never gets any play:

How on earth did the image of George Washington get on the Great Seal of the CSA? Were the leaders of the south trying to dupe the common men into fighting for them, or what?

Walt

For the record, I am not anti-confederacy. I am, however, anti bad and untruthful arguments, which this essay is full of.

Dear WhiskeyPapa: First of all, Merry Christmas, and please don't take this as a personal attack by a neo-Confederate or whatever names you apply to those who argue on the side of the legality of secession. But the quotes you posted simply don't argue against secession. No Virginian, or any state delegate for that matter, would have voted to put his state into a union from which there is no legal recourse if its rights or interests were threatened. As we have noted in several similar threads, Virginia, New York, and possibly Rhode Island (I haven't had the time to verify R.I.) included secession clauses in their ratification documents.

How on earth did the image of George Washington get on the Great Seal of the CSA?"

A Tory like you, Walt, will never understand.

How on earth did the image of George Washington get on the Great Seal of the CSA? Were the leaders of the south trying to dupe the common men into fighting for them, or what?

Southerners knew well that George Washington never desired the horrible excesses of liberalism to be the rule rather than the exception. His Farewell Address ranks among the most powerful statements against liberalism.