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To: proud2bRC
I agree with most of what you said. There is division and confusion among orthodox Catholics. It is quite an unfortunate situation. However I would like to correct an inaccurate conclusion you have drawn.

There is only anger, discord, bitterness, and eventually loss of salvation at the end of the path schismatic traditionalists [Chris Ferrara, Atila Sinke Guimarães, Dr. Marian Horvat, Michael J. Matt, and John Vennari] are taking, because the natural conclusion is that the Pope is either a heretic, or not a Pope at all, which is the sedevacantist position, and the Novus Ordo is invalid/illicit, in which case the Church since Vatican II has fallen into apostacy.

Fron The Remnant's Position Statement:

"Within the Church, however, there are those who take this traditional Catholic counterrevolution too far--declaring that, since Vatican II helped to bring on all of this chaos and denial of Faith, then the popes who called the Council must not be legitimate popes. Many Catholics, who feel this way, believe that there is no legitimate pope presently in Rome, and that Pope John Paul is an impostor. The Remnant has decried this erroneous conclusion, insisting that the Church’s legitimate (though progressivist) pope is most certainly Pope John Paul II."

A little farther down:
"Catholics cannot leave the Church, nor are they free to lambaste and deny the Pope at will for things like his "Altar Girl Permission" or the "Assisi Ecumenical Affair" or the convening of the Second Vatican Council. Catholic lay people must guard against this attitude, which is commonly referred to as "sede vacantism." Nevertheless, Catholics must wake up to the fact that the Church is in a state of unprecedented revolution and turmoil at present, and that, since the Council, she has undergone a near total spiritual breakdown."

And it restates its defense of JPII as the current Pope:
"The Remnant is part of the "Loyal Opposition"-- it defends Pope John Paul as the legitimate Successor of St. Peter, and it also defends his strong stand on moral issues in the face of the Modern world. At the same time, The Remnant has publicly disagreed with Pope John Paul over his positions on such questions as ecumenism, granting the "altar girls" permission, consorting with the United Nations, and his unqualified and complete support of the Second Vatican Council and all of its unfortunate results.


49 posted on 12/24/2001 11:28:02 AM PST by ELS
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To: ELS
And it restates its defense of JPII as the current Pope:

"The Remnant is part of the "Loyal Opposition"-- it defends Pope John Paul as the legitimate Successor of St. Peter, and it also defends his strong stand on moral issues in the face of the Modern world. At the same time, The Remnant has publicly disagreed with Pope John Paul over his positions on such questions as ecumenism, granting the "altar girls" permission, consorting with the United Nations, and his unqualified and complete support of the Second Vatican Council and all of its unfortunate results.

Gosh, with defenders like this, who needs enemies? Many, in and out of the Church, defend Pope John Paul as the legitimate Successor of St. Peter, and defend his strong stand on moral issues in the face of the Modern world.

The rest sounds like attack, not defense.

56 posted on 12/24/2001 12:53:49 PM PST by Brian Kopp DPM
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