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Dying boy, 15, gets wish: losing virginity
Chicago Sun Times ^ | 12/23/01 | BY BENJAMIN ERRETT

Posted on 12/23/2001 6:26:24 AM PST by Mopp4

A terminally ill boy had his dying wish granted in Australia this month, but ethicists are still at odds over whether it was the right thing to do.
The wish was not for a trip to Disneyland or to meet a famous sports star. Instead, the 15-year-old wanted to lose his virginity before he died of cancer. The boy, who remains anonymous but was called Jack by the Australian media, did not want his parents to know about his request. Because of his many years spent in the hospital, he had no girlfriend or female friends.
Jack died last week, but not before having his last wish granted. Without the knowledge of his parents or hospital staff, friends arranged an encounter with a prostitute outside of hospital premises. All precautions were taken, and the organizers made sure the act was fully consensual. The issue has sparked fierce debate over the legal and ethical implications of granting the boy's request. By law, Jack was still a child, and the woman involved could in theory face charges for having sex with a minor. The debate was sparked by the hospital's child psychologist, who wrote a letter to "Life Matters," a radio show in which academics debate ethical and moral dilemmas. The scenario was presented in the abstract, with no details about the boy's identity.

"He had been sick for quite a long period, and his schooling was very disrupted, so he hadn't had many opportunities to acquire and retain friends, and his access to young women was pretty poor," the psychologist said recently in an interview with Australia's Daily Telegraph newspaper. "But he was very interested in young women and was experiencing that surge of testosterone that teenage boys have." Hospital staff initially wanted to pool donations to pay for a prostitute, but the ethical and legal implications prevented them from doing so. The psychologist presented members of the clergy with the dilemma and found no clear answer. "It really polarized them," he said. "About half said, 'What's your problem?' And the other half said [it] demeans women and reduces the sexual act to being just a physical one."

Dr. Stephen Leeder, dean of medicine at the University of Sydney and a "Life Matters" panelist, said the issue was a difficult one. "I pointed out that public hospitals operated under the expectation that they would abide by state law," he said. "While various things doubtless are done that are at the edge of that, it's important the public has confidence that the law will be followed." Jack's psychologist, who works with children in palliative care, said the desire was driven in part by a need for basic human contact. "In a child dying over a long period of time, there is often a condition we call 'skin hunger,'" he said. The terminally ill child yearns for non-clinical contact because "mostly when people touch them, it's to do something unpleasant, something that might hurt." Leeder called the diagnosis "improbable." Judy Lumby, the show's other panelist and the executive director of the New South Wales College of Nursing, argued that the details as presented made it abundantly clear the boy's wish ought to be granted. "I said that I would try my darndest as a nurse to do whatever I could to make sure his wish came true," she said. "I just think we are so archaic in the way we treat people in institutions. Certainly, if any of my three daughters were dying, I'd do whatever I could, and I'm sure that you would, too." National Post


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To: Sungirl
I thought conservatives felt that there should be no sex until marriage? Hypocrits.

How many girls would want to marry a dead man?

Still nekkid? Signed Geezer.

81 posted on 12/23/2001 9:05:17 AM PST by tet68
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To: Mopp4
The problem here is too much public information. Whether or not thes poor childs 'last request' should be granted I will leave up to each of you to decide- and that is what should have happened in this case.

Now we have to have a public debate, and the law involved, and money spent, and new legislation for every single 'once in a lifetime' exception to every normal situation...

82 posted on 12/23/2001 9:05:51 AM PST by Mr. K
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To: OneidaM
You have officially declared yourself to be an animal.
83 posted on 12/23/2001 9:13:21 AM PST by Arthur McGowan
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To: Mopp4
Is this reflective of the way young people view life today? I don't care that I will be missing out on the chance to lead a full life, just let me have sex before I go?

I agree. This is sad that a boy wants this on his deathbed. I am a male and that is not what I would have wanted if I was about to die at 15 years in age.

84 posted on 12/23/2001 9:18:40 AM PST by 2nd_Amendment_Defender
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To: bigcheese
I agree completely. The GOD I believe in is not going to punish a kid for this.

Some of the responses on this thread are the same type of thinking that keeps me from attending ANY organized church services. I live my life the way I think HE would approve of, and I think that's good enough for me and HIM.

85 posted on 12/23/2001 9:20:06 AM PST by FatherTorque
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To: bigcheese
uuuuuhhhhhh.... can we say, "false dilemma"? No one is suggesting wife-swapping/getting laid with as many partners as possible/or other nastiness from the "sexual revolution". What this is is one singular instance where a dying boy wants to get laid.

Which, of course, is fornication--the immorality of which was nearly universally recognized until the Children of the Sixties exalted it. The Children of that Revolution are alive and well on FR. Phallocentric Freepers, unite!

Moreover, as a Sexual Revolutionary will try to ignore, this adolescent act has consequences. Suppose that his sexual act fulfills its purpose: namely, reproduction. Who shall pay for this kid with the dead 15 year-old father? Surely the hooker wasn't paid that much; mayber her fee will cover the abortion.

For what it's worth, I am going to mass to pray for the salvation of all souls, including this poor boy, the prostitute, and the morally idiotic medical staff who aided in this sin.

86 posted on 12/23/2001 9:20:42 AM PST by Dumb_Ox
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To: FatherTorque
What's up with this "G-d" thing, anyway? Is that some secret way for the true believers to spell God? I know the Hebrew "Yahweh" has no vowels, but... we're not speaking Hebrew here, folks.

It's very true that the extreme Christian right-wing and the fanatic liberal left begin to resemble one another.
88 posted on 12/23/2001 9:23:28 AM PST by NeoCrusade
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To: JudyB1938
Also, what people are ignoring is the instinctual urge to procreate when facing death. Studies have revealed that to be the reason why soldiers have been known to be guilty of rape throughout the centuries.

Gosh, here all this time I thought it was because they were evil & selfish, and it turns out they're just trying to perpetuate the species. Give 'em a medal!

89 posted on 12/23/2001 9:23:28 AM PST by Sloth
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To: FatherTorque
I live my life the way I think HE would approve of, and I think that's good enough for me and HIM.

How convenient.

90 posted on 12/23/2001 9:25:21 AM PST by BlessedBeGod
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To: Dumb_Ox
And, praytell, where exactly is fornication condemmed in the Tanach? (hint: the Tanach is the "old testament"). I find adultery is a sin, I find being VERY promiscous is a sin, I find bestiality is a sin.... but, you know, NO mention of a singular act of "fornication". Hmmmmm.... Daniels' prophesy of a man who would attempt to change the seasons and the Law come to mind for some strange reason....
91 posted on 12/23/2001 9:26:44 AM PST by bigcheese
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To: bigcheese
I think it is a far more dangerous path to perdition to consciously place one's self in judgement over other's eternal fate than for a 15 year old to engage in an act of human sexuality.

I would also add that it is a sad thing that this is what the kid thought was the end-all be-all of human existence. I don't think it something to condemn the kid to an eternal damnation. Heck, Jimmy Swaggert and Mr. Baker probably have more to worry about than the kid ( not that I would know for sure ).

92 posted on 12/23/2001 9:27:13 AM PST by Tench_Coxe
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To: Cultural Jihad
These people are not conservatives, but Libertarian ideologues and members of the Degenerate Wing of the Republican Party, who like their Marxist brethren promulgate and proselytize a moral-liberal and humanist false-morality.

Umm. Ok.

Hey...you seem pretty intellegent. I need an answer....why does my vacuum cleaner refuse to suck up a peanut but will eat my rugs?

93 posted on 12/23/2001 9:28:23 AM PST by Sungirl
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Way to go dude! If I had been in your situation, I would have gone for it too. God had to be smiling.
95 posted on 12/23/2001 9:28:57 AM PST by Eternal_Bear
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To: bigcheese
There is the New Testament admonition of Jesus with respect to adultery--having to do with looking upon a woman with lust ( in other words, akin to Jimmy Swaggert spending time in a hotel room with a hooker ).

It doesn't appear to be the same thing with the boy.

96 posted on 12/23/2001 9:29:46 AM PST by Tench_Coxe
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To: DWSUWF
HOW DARE YOU ALL. I'm appalled by your self righteousness. The kid is dying. He wanted to get laid. He's a normal 15 year old boy. Normal 15 year old boys think about sex all the time. Of course, they know eventually they will have it. This poor child knew he never would. What the hell is so wrong with asking for it. Gee, excuse him for not having the gift of time to fall in love. What would have been better, to ask to meet his favorite sports star or go to Disneyland? To me, that's sicker than the wish to fulfill a normal physical desire.
97 posted on 12/23/2001 9:30:09 AM PST by Hildy
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To: tet68
Still nekkid? Signed Geezer.

Yeah....I'm still nekkid you Old Geezer.

98 posted on 12/23/2001 9:32:02 AM PST by Sungirl
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