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To: missileboy
If you wand a " magic wand ", and did away with EVERYTHING that the LP claims to want / hold dear , chaos would be an uptick. Utter disaster would ensue. Private schools woud NOT take the public school's castoffs; there would be NO room to put them. The vast majority of those kids, woud be SO unprepared, that they would NOT be able to keep up, and would cause havoc, even IF there were room for them. Cutting off ALL tax burdens, would not only stop this WAR in its tracks, but would NOT be enough money to pay for private school. Boarding schools now cost about $25,000 , at bare bones. THat figure is actually LOWBALLING, and does't include things likebooks, supplies, and " extras " ! Day schools is about $15,000, WITHOUT books and extras ! Parochial schools cost less.

There ARE huge consiquences to wishing for immidiancy, which would inevitently lead to a TOTOLITARIAN state, far worse, than anything you can imagine. People don't like chaos, and they don't take kindly to the unexpected. Incrementalism is THE only way to change things.

117 posted on 12/24/2001 2:50:34 PM PST by nopardons
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To: nopardons
And how much force would an LP government use against communities that resisted orders to shut down their schools?
118 posted on 12/24/2001 2:57:51 PM PST by Roscoe
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To: nopardons
If you wand a " magic wand ", and did away with EVERYTHING that the LP claims to want / hold dear , chaos would be an uptick. Utter disaster would ensue.

absolute bump!

123 posted on 12/24/2001 5:03:52 PM PST by tacticalogic
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To: nopardons
If you wand a " magic wand ", and did away with EVERYTHING that the LP claims to want / hold dear , chaos would be an uptick. Utter disaster would ensue.

Now, if I didn't know any better, I'd say you're the fear monger...

Granted, there'd be some confusion, mostly coming from cultural issues. But it seems as though you're not arguing, at least here, against libertarian ideas, but rather against the suggestions for implementing them. Even if I concede that the transition to this system would be rough, it still doesn't change the fact that this is the better system, or at least that is a separate thread.

The vast majority of those kids, woud be SO unprepared, that they would NOT be able to keep up

They'd be placed at a level commensurate with their knowledge. They'd eventually be placed and would then advance based on their achievement, unlike the public schools which graduate kids that can't make change for a dollar. A quality product would be generated soon or else the money funding that school would be elsewhere.

I'm more fearful of the idea that the high school graduate that reads at the 5th grade level is the next employee at my cafeteria, refilling my juice dispenser with a strange substance labeled 'caustic compound', a warning he can't understand because there are no pictures. Think I'm overreacting? Why do the keys of the cash registers at McDonalds have colorful pictures of cheeseburgers and apple pies? This is what I call 'chaos' and 'utter disaster'.

Cutting off ALL tax burdens, would not only stop this WAR in its tracks, but would NOT be enough money to pay for private school.

You can't know if it would or would not pay for private schooling. You cannot predict how the market would respond. If the great majority of kids could not afford private schools while public schooling were eliminated, the market would readjust. If governments controlled the supermarkets and their prices I imagine that we'd have fear mongers saying that the public would never be able to afford staple foods like milk if supermarkets were privatized. Then, if they controlled the supermarkets for 100 years, there would be no one left to say, "Bunk - I remember when supermarkets were privatized and we had more, better quality products available for less money....." This is what has happened with our schools. As I understand, by about 1880 or so this system was finally in full effect. That's too long ago for anyone alive to remember and speak of the times before this period.

I just don't buy the fear mongering is what I'm saying. No, it's not a perfect system because such a system doesn't exist. Instead, we're stuck accepting this system that dumbs down the nation because we're told that we'd be a nation of illiterates otherwise. I think history shows otherwise, but was it you that mentioned you had some background on this? Please post this, I'd be interested to hear about it.

There ARE huge consiquences to wishing for immidiancy, which would inevitently lead to a TOTOLITARIAN state

By your spelling and creation of words, I'm guessing you're a graduate of the public schools yourself! I'm kidding. Sorry, the opportunity was just there for me. No harm intended, honest. Just making light of the situation.

How would a change to this system, although chaotic, lead to totalitarianism?

I'm assuming that you're only taking issue with how the change is to be made. If so, how would you suggest to best change over to this system? far worse, than anything you can imagine. People don't like chaos, and they don't take kindly to the unexpected. Incrementalism is THE only way to change things.

124 posted on 12/24/2001 5:22:25 PM PST by missileboy
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To: nopardons
If you wand a "magic wand", and did away with EVERYTHING that the LP claims to want / hold dear , chaos would be an uptick.

This is a moot point, since it applies to all political parties. If there were a magic wand that could instantly switch national policy between the Democratic and Republican platforms, the economy would collapse as $N*10^8 was instantly transferred from one party's friends to the other's, regulations were suddenly imposed or lifted en masse, etc.

238 posted on 12/29/2001 12:06:57 AM PST by steve-b
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