[Ahban]

Don't need faith. The increasing sophistication is clearly on display in the fossil record. You guys have to say it was planted there to fool us. You have to be silly to save your Biblical account.

OK. who are you and what have you done with the real jlogajan? YOu know, the one who was able to put up a respectable arguement in our little online mental exercises. Seriously, have you been drinking tonight? You seem rather off your game.

How can you not see in your above statement EXACTLY what Prof. Johnson was talking about. For you all the evidence is viewed through a materialst lens. OF COURSE we see the increasing sophistication in the fossil record. The issue is HOW did it get there? Who or what was the information source which produced that massive increase in sophistication? You are talking like the increase in sophistication itself is proof that evolution did it all.

THat could only be because you assume in advance that evolution alone will be responsible for all changes, thus when changes are found, you conclude that evolution occured. HELLO!!!!

[jlogajan]

For you all the evidence is viewed through a materialst lens.

And his eyes perceive the metaphysical? Nice work if you can get it.

[Exnihilo]

How can you not see in your above statement EXACTLY what Prof. Johnson was talking about. For you all the evidence is viewed through a materialst lens. OF COURSE we see the increasing sophistication in the fossil record. The issue is HOW did it get there? Who or what was the information source which produced that massive increase in sophistication? You are talking like the increase in sophistication itself is proof that evolution did it all.

I could not have said it better myself. Thank you! I've given up trying to debate jlogajan. He/She doesn't seem very interested in substantive debate. He/She seems more interested in adhoc assumptions and childish name calling. Such is life. Again, thank you for putting it so succinctly.