Posted on 12/22/2001 10:10:57 AM PST by OKCSubmariner
40 As God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah and the neighbour cities thereof, saith the LORD; so shall no man abide there, neither shall any son of man dwell therein.
41 Behold, a people shall come from the north, and a great nation, and many kings shall be raised up from the coasts of the earth.
42 They shall hold the bow and the lance: they are cruel, and will not shew mercy: their voice shall roar like the sea, and they shall ride upon horses, every one put in array, like a man to the battle, against thee, O daughter of Babylon.
43 The king of Babylon hath heard the report of them, and his hands waxed feeble: anguish took hold of him, and pangs as of a woman in travail.
Pangs as of a woman in travail, or Bush...
Please see Numbers 24:24 where the prediction of Ashur being destroyed is a reference to modern day Iraq (not Assyria or Syria) in my opinion.
The first part of Numbers 24 is one of the earliest if not the earliest prophecies about the coming of my Messiah, of Jesus Christ in the Bible.
It would take the ugly imagination of the leftist to think it came from some vast ___ conspiracy in the U.S.
I'd like to consider proposals of what "should be done" first, while fully realizing the agenda some may have, and staying rational.
And when there are no facts that would prove what the title alleges, then I think it's worthwhile to point that out, no?
When you say "who doesn't have regional ambitions " are you including Russia ?
Russia clearly has interests there.
Russia and Putin I noticed warned the US recently not to take any action against the Russian client state of Iraq.
Well, not only Russia, but Europeans too are very sceptical. Wouldn't you be?
Saddam's Fingerprints on 1993 N.Y. Bombings
I've been hearing how awake and serious Americans are now. Really? Who will be in charge of America's Cipro storage. Jocelyn Elders?
IRAQ TEMPTS BIN LADEN TO ATTACK WEST
Contradicting Some U.S. Officials, 3 Scientists Call Anthrax Powder High-Grade
"The experts noted that turning anthrax into a weapon of mass destruction still required added steps, like making the powder in quantity and learning how to disseminate it effectively. One expert said that only the United States, the Soviet Union and Iraq were known to have developed the necessary technique. But the experts said some officials were playing down the powder's potency out of ignorance or an impulse to reassure a frightened public."
McVeigh's Ghost - Top Pentagon Officials Say Iraq Involved in OKC Bombing
Was Tim McVeigh an agent of Iraq?
Ex-CIA Microbiologist Reveals Iraqi Plot to Attack US With Biowarfare by 2002
Saddam's Bombmaker on Anthrax Attacks: 'This Is Iraq!'
Iraq's Plans to Target Media with Anthrax described in 1999 article "The poor man's atomic bomb"
Hijacker met with Iraqi official
Pentagon recommends nuclear retaliation
How Clinton Shielded Afghanistan
Clinton's Sympathy For Marxist Terrorists
Clinton's Clemency for Terrorists Is Unpardonable
FBI FOREKNOWLEDGE: Laden Suspect (Moussauoi) in OKC Bombings and WTC Attacks Identified &Jailed
CIA Reportedly Warned FBI About One Suspect (6 Stories of Prior Knowledge By FBI & Government)
Whatever Happened to Iraqgate? Was it swept under the rug because of the CIA - - or Hillary?
Iraqi Anthrax? -- Getting Closer - October 26, 2001
Cooking the Books
"The CIA has become a government unto itself and, as such, is a threat to our very system and to our liberties. I know this is not fashionable to say these days, but we have to face facts:
1) They did a horrible job of predicting/preventing Sept. 11.
2) They have lashed out at Congress the members of which are elected directly by the people and tried to limit what information is shared with the 'people's representatives.' True, some congressmen are jerks and reveal top secret information. But CIA then uses that breach to justify keeping everyone in the dark.
3) They were just given an extra $1 billion by the president for the hunt for Osama bin Laden. And yet now Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld tells USA Today that we "may never find Osama bin Laden." What, then, are we paying all that money to the CIA for?
4) Iraq: clearly the CIA through leaks from "government intelligence sources" is trying to ignore/dismiss Iraq's role in both Sept. 11 and the ongoing anthrax attacks. The CIA is deliberately trying to steer American public opinion away from Saddam. In other words, instead of a straight assessment of gathered facts, they are 'cooking the books' to result in a pre-ordained conclusion.
For example, the CIA very clearly leaked to Murray Weiss of the New York Post on Thursday's front page that "ultra right wing organizations have become the key focus of the massive federal investigation into the murderous anthrax attacks."
Furthermore, the CIA has carefully leaked that of the three nations that manufacture this particular form of anthrax Russia, Iraq and the United States the federal authorities have "ruled out Russia and Iraq as sources of this strain of anthrax."
Oh, really?
Why are they ignoring the fact that Israeli intelligence now knows that lead hijacker Mohamed Atta picked up Iraqi-produced anthrax spores in Prague when he met with Iraqi intelligence official Achmed Al'ami on June 2, 2000, in a Prague café?
And that Atta was frequently known to have tried to learn all about cropdusting planes in Florida?
And that Atta once went to a Florida pharmacy for treatment of 'damaged hands'? Perhaps a case of cutaneous anthrax from handling the master supply he brought over with him from the Iraqis?"
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Czechs confirm Atta met with Prague-based Iraqi diplomat
Atta may have carried Iraq anthrax to U.S. -report
FBI moves in on Atta's Caribbean connection
Iraq may have produced up to 10 billion doses of anthrax, botulinum toxin and aflatoxin
U.S. gave antrhax to Iraq to use on Iran
Iran Says U.S. Paying for Giving Anthrax to Iraq
Saudi Nuclear Ambitions May Have Involved Iraq
ABC Radio News Reporting That Anthrax Spore Coating Used by Iraq
Hijacker 'Given Anthrax Flask By Iraqi Agent'
Iraq 'behind US anthrax outbreaks'
Iraq builds chemical weapons system 'capable of hitting European cities'
Iraqi nerve gas 'could paralyse western cities'
Secret Germ Warfare Experiments
Terror Additive: Tests Find Laced Anthrax; Atta Met Iraqi - Full Story
NEED A BIOLOGICAL WAR? Labs sell anthrax germs by mail order
STORY OF ATTA-IRAQI MEETING CZECHS OUT - New York Post - October 27, 2001
Czechs confirm hijacker met Iraqi
Czechs Confirm Atta Met With Iraqi
ABC News: Anthrax Additive Tied to Saddam
ABC News: Anthrax Additive Tied to Saddam
NewsMax.com
Friday Oct. 26, 2001; 10:42 p.m. EDT
A substance attached to the anthrax in a letter sent to the offices of Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle indicates that the deadly poison was concocted in Iraqi laboratories, confirming a report by an Iraqi weapons expert cited in a print exclusive by NewsMax.com earlier this week.
"An urgent series of tests conducted on the letter at Ft. Detrick, Md., and elsewhere discovered the anthrax spores were treated with bentonite," ABC News reported late Friday.
"As far as is known, only one country, Iraq, has used bentonite to produce biological weapons," ABC News said.
The unique Iragi biological component helps keep anthrax particles from sticking together, thereby making the substance more easily airborne and all the more deadly. Bentonite is considered by biological weapons experts to be an Iraqi "trademark," ABC News reported.
The discovery of benonite in the Daschle letter anthrax is the first evidentiary link between the wave of anthrax attacks that has hit the U.S. in the last two weeks and Saddam Hussein.
"It means to me that Iraq becomes the prime suspect as the source of anthrax used in these letters," former U.N. weapons inspector Timothy Trevan told ABC News.
Late Monday, the one-time head of Saddam Hussein's nuclear weapons program, Dr. Khidhir Hamza, said that there was no doubt Iraq had produced the anthrax used in the current wave of bioterror attacks on the U.S.
"This is Iraq," Dr.Hamza told CNBC's "Rivera Live." "This is Iraq's work."
"Nobody (else) has the expertise outside the U.S. and outside the major powers who work on germ warfare. Nobody has the expertise and has any motive to attack the U.S. except Saddam to do this. This is Iraq. This is Saddam," Dr. Hamza said.
NewsMax.com was the only print outlet to report Dr. Hamza's coments.
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"I believe the FBI can, and must, do a better job dealing with mistakes. If I have the honor of being confirmed by the Senate I will make it my highest priority to restore the public's confidence in the FBI:- to re-earn the faith and trust of the American people."
Robert Mueller
Researcher: Iraq attempted to smuggle anthrax to U.S., Britain - October 27, 2001
"TEL AVIV Iraq has attempted to smuggle large quantities of anthrax into Britain and the United States, an Israeli analyst says.
Dany Shoham, a research associate at Tel Aviv University's Begin-Sadat Center of Strategic Studies, said the regime of Iraqi President Saddam Hussein attempted to bring biological weapons agents into Britain and the United States in 1998. The attempt was reported by Israeli intelligence.
At the time, Shoham said, Iraqi women agents arriving in the United States were hiding vials filled with biological agents under their dresses.
Iraq was also attempting to smuggle biological and chemical agents into Britain hidden in duty-free goods.
Shoham, a reserve intelligence officer with close ties to Western intelligence agencies, said the Iraqi effort was foiled by British authorities. He suggested that Iraq succeeded in bringing the anthrax virus into the United States."
Researcher: Iraq attempted to smuggle anthrax to U.S., Britain - October 27, 2001
When I clicked on the link provided in reply #30 it came up with a WorldCongress.com article abour Arafat instead.
Much thanks for all of your reply #30. It was great.
"The anthrax road leads toward Saddam"
So at odds with the domestic terrorist theory in this story:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/595458/posts
The FBI, theorizing that the bioterrorist responsible for America's anthrax scare was inoculated against the disease, is checking government workers and contractors who have been vaccinated or have had access to the vaccine, sources say.And this story:...
The group includes about 200 scientists and lab employees who handle anthrax regularly, and a few dozen more former workers.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/595214/posts
Federal anthrax researchers are attempting to match the strain that killed a Boca Raton man and four others to a weaponized strain secretly manufactured at a U.S. military facility in the Utah desert, according to sources familiar with the probe. Agents are examining lab workers and researchers who had access to the weaponized, powdered anthrax grown at the U.S. Army's Dugway Proving Grounds and later supplied to Battelle Memorial Institute, a military research company based in Columbus, Ohio.And this story:Among those interviewed include a fired researcher at Battelle who, according to FBI records, made remarks about an anthrax project in the basement of his Milwaukee home.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/594718/posts
Anthrax probe into US projectOn second thought, never mind concocting up a 'reason' why these stories are at odds with 'your' story. I *think* I already know the reason.At the centre of the inquiry is an army testing facility in Utah
The inquiry into the anthrax letters sent to politicians and media organisations in America is focusing on the US Government's little-known programme to produce "weapons-grade" anthrax, US reports say.
Investigators suspect that a rogue scientist may have obtained access to samples of the bacteria.
Why = Was
America is on the road to facism, similar to pre-WW2 NAZI Germany and you let it happen.
I know you're writing that tounge-in-cheek - but it *is* true that only you and you alone can truly be responsible and insure your own safety and security.
There is a limit, though, for instance I don't possess enough fire power or munitions to wage war against an adversary that *may* have the fire power and munitions to wipe me out.
Isn't gov't force and action in a case such as that warranted (this is aside from civil power and authority claimed by "gov't")?
I don't possess as pessimistic a view as you do on this subject, but from my perspective I don't believe we are on that road to facism - and I certainly haven't campaigned or in any way 'voted' for it via my choices for congress or the presidency.
I will admit that there are those that vote demoRAT in my family - I believe my parents are dyed-in-the-wool Demoncrats - since all business is evil and corporations have only the little guy in their sights as as the means to their 'wealth'. A mistaken position they assumed under the guise of 'entertainment' and 'indoctrination' programs like Phil Donahue and the SeeBS evening news ...
I see you admit that you are singularly responsible for today's America. Don't worry ... real Americans are taking up your careless and slacking methods of irresponsibility about our nation.
We are taking America back.
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