[rdb3]

You know, the definitions of both conservatism and liberalism are muddled. I'm a conservative in the sense that I am a classical liberal. So-called liberals are nothing more than socialists at best, communists at worse.

The dictionary doesn't do justice in describing these terms in the political sense.

[Torie]

When it comes to the essential middle of modern liberalism, just put a "bit more" in rather than a "bit less." Actually on many issues, the differences are less prononced than they used to be. That is especially true in Britain, where the two major parties have no real substantive differences, except on Europe to some degree. And yes classical liberalism has nothing to do with modern liberalism. But modern liberalism really isn't socialist. Modern liberalism likes the market by and large, if only because it generates more economic activity to tax and then redistribute to its assorted constituencies. Conservatism is ditto, it is just that its constituencies make do with less. But if you want a list of the welfare queens of the conservative constituency, let me know.