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To: Matchett-PI
You wanna take pride in the fruits of your "restoration," go ahead. Contraception, abortion, homosexuality, euthanasia, atheism, etc., that is your fruits. They are the fruits of him who was liar and deceiver from the start.

I judge a tree by its fruits, regardless of your sloganeering and out of context proof texting. I am proud to be Roman Catholic. For one who knows the bible, history, and the condition of the world today, especially the onslaught of the culture of Death, there is no other option (with the possible exception of Orthodoxy.)

And according to scripture, faith without works is DEAD. Period.

54 posted on 12/23/2001 10:49:12 AM PST by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: proud2bRC
"You wanna take pride in the fruits of your "restoration," go ahead"

Let's see if I'm understanding your logic correctly:

When God restored this Truth to prominence (that power and control-hungry men NEVER GIVE UP trying to obscure to this very day): "For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the Law", bad fruit was the result, and that makes me proud?

Is that what you just wrote?

This requires a yes or no answer:

The atonement of Jesus Christ ..... was it sufficient (alone) or was it insufficient (works must be added) in order to save sinners?

Please don't evade answering that question. Just answer yes or no.

You wrote: "And according to scripture, faith without works is DEAD. Period.

Absolutely.

Good works are merely *an evidence* of the gift of salvation (saving faith) that God has already given to those he places in his body, the invisible, universal (catholic) church which is scattered over all the earth.

I say, "an" evidence, because good works are not *the* evidence. If it was *the* evidence then we could easily tell the difference between the tares and the wheat / or the sheep and the goats. The religious tares/goats are good fakers, and easily fool those who judge by "outward appearances".

A man's works only determine the *extent of his reward" in heaven .... they have NOTHING whatsoever to do with his salvation/justification. (See the parables in the Scriptures that reveal this eternal TRUTH).

57 posted on 12/23/2001 11:33:36 AM PST by Matchett-PI
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