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To: tiki
>I don't think the words have a thing to do with it, it is the heartfelt communication with God that He wants from you.

I think it's important to separate accepted New Age wishy-washy beliefs from simple observations of Scripture.

Luke 11:1-4 --

Now it came to pass, as He was praying in a certain place, when He ceased, that one of His disciples said to Him, "Lord, teach us to pray, as John also taught his disciples."

So He said to them, "When you pray, say:

Our Father in heaven,
Hallowed be Your name.
Your kingdom come.
Your will be done
On earth as it is in heaven.
Give us day by day our daily bread.
And forgive us our sins,
For we also forgive everyone who is indebted to us.
And do not lead us into temptation,
But deliver us from the evil one."

Jesus didn't teach the disiples to "think good thoughts" or to just think "deeply" about God. He didn't tell them to "quiet their thoughts" and "look for God in their hearts." He taught them to SAY the words.

I'm sure all those other things are good. It's good to think deep thoughts. It's good to "look for God in your heart" (whatever that means). But I'm also sure that if Jesus said to speak words out loud when we pray, then we should speak words out loud when we pray.

Mark W.

37 posted on 12/22/2001 10:32:52 AM PST by MarkWar
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To: MarkWar
Oh come on now! Thoughts are just words in your head, unspoken but God doesn't need them to be spoken aloud, He knows.

So do we just repeat The Lord's prayer? Out loud? or do we just repeat scriptural prayer or do we actually get in the frame of mind to talk to God about anything. If we are to pray unceasingly and it has to be out loud.... Think about it.

I think that you just want to be contradictory and you don't have a clue what you are talking about. There is nothing New Age about the Rosary. There is nothing unscriptural about the Rosary.

You know what, if vocal prayer is the most important thing and speaking lovingly to God is wrong then he'll just have to forgive me because when I read that the greatest commandment is to love God and to love your neighbor as yourself, I think that worshipping God is all about the condition of your heart. It was the Pharisees that insisted that all the rules be followed when their own hearts were rotted and Jesus pointed that out.

40 posted on 12/22/2001 12:35:56 PM PST by tiki
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